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09-06-2009, 06:25 PM
I'm afraid historically your incorrect about not killing. Mohammand lead his army into battle several times a year, useually when his supplies were running low. The Koran has a whole chapter devoted to how to devide the spoils of these operations for heavens sake. He also wiped out his own clan because they threw him out of Mecca. ( they thought he was nuts).
I'm not going to argue wether he was a prophet or not, I'll let fate determine that aspect. However, there was very little difference between how he spread "islam" around and how America tends to spread "Americanism" around. I'm christian myself but I'm not going to hide behind platitudes, christians historically have been pretty ruthless themselves, particularly to native populations. While much of thier actions were un Christlike, going against the actual words of Christ, it doesn't erase the blood they spilled in Christ's name. Trying to justify the spilling if innocent blood through relgion is a cop out for avoiding takeing personal responability for ones own actions. I think that holds true reguardless of wether your Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddist or what have you. Hero's tend to be heros in many peoples eyes, not because they were perfect, but because they tried to fight through thier inperfection. To become better than they were, and bring others with them while they did so. |
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09-07-2009, 04:27 AM
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Joseph Smith, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. But a "prophet" with probably more followers from India is Sri Sathya Sai Baba: Sathya Sai Baba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia But he has less recognition outside the Hindu circle. However, he actually claims to be the reincarnation of Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, and he does "miracles" to prove it. I don't seem to find any of them too awfully convincing, however. But that is personal preference. Quote:
Muhammad as a general - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Raiding caravans is murder and piracy. He tries to justify it all in saying it is Gods will, but that's a bit shallow. I liked Jesus's approach a lot better. I mean, for those who don't actually believe he's been given pep talks from God, he can come off as extremely unstable and very dangerous. Some of what he said was also a bit reckless. I mean, there's no way he could have known people were actually going to take to what he said in the future, but still, he always has to consider the possibility that writing a book may have some negative concequences if you don't think the content through. The book he wrote has fueled a non stop war since his death. The eternal Saint is calling, through the ages she has told. The ages have not listened; the will of faith has grown old…
For forever she will wander, for forever she withholds; the Demon King is on his way, you’d best not be learned untold… |
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09-07-2009, 06:39 AM
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-No ,that is false,He didn't his own clan because they threw him out of Mecca,when he conquered Mecca....He said;''what I will do with you know?you fight me and thought that I was nut'' ....then he said"Go now,I will forgiven you'' ''I wish to be all people in Islam and I fight for that''... Then He return all the the spoils to his his own clan in Mecca.. -yes...andI'll let fate determine that aspect |
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09-07-2009, 06:59 AM
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I did't see in wikipedia that he was a murderer and a full blown pirate... In koran ,any one steal anything from any one (muslim or not muslim) must to cut his hand and must to all people see that... In Islam if you don't like people more than your Brother ,you aren't muslim... cuz the Islam is to love all people,to help the poor people,to stop killing any one,to to be truthful with all people,to believe and worship one God is Allah ,and to not to be selfish and proud....this is the Islam,so for that I am muslim...and I don't care if people like I Islam or not....one day they will remembre that the Islam is a great relegion... -any book you are talking about??He didn't write any book!! |
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09-07-2009, 07:38 AM
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It doesn't really matter, anyway. I'm not sure Hitler killed anyoneduring WW2, but that doesn't change public opinion, does it? Quote:
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They keep saying it's justified in the eye for an eye thing; i.e. they had shit stolen from them first (but given Muhammad was not the start of Arab history, it's safe to assume his ancestors had been stealing shit recklessly for thousands of years already, so the whole "he started it" finger pointing is kind of lame). In the end, stealing is stealing. I don't always think it's bad, but that's what it is. Quote:
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I also find it hard to believe he wrote anything given he was illiterate, but, you know, that's how the tale goes. The eternal Saint is calling, through the ages she has told. The ages have not listened; the will of faith has grown old…
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09-07-2009, 07:40 AM
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Prophet Mohammad is more than a president...More than a hero...more than a leader...more than a friend....more than to talk about him that he was a dick Mohammad means allthing for the muslim....he is a big part of Islam...becausecuz when you want to be muslim ,you must to said'' there isn't any God except Allah and Mohammad is a Allah's prophet''... |
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09-07-2009, 07:44 AM
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So yeah, I think he was a bit of a dick. I can't change that, and you can't expect others to view him as a diety with the same respect when they think he was just a normal person. The eternal Saint is calling, through the ages she has told. The ages have not listened; the will of faith has grown old…
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09-07-2009, 07:56 AM
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The eternal Saint is calling, through the ages she has told. The ages have not listened; the will of faith has grown old…
For forever she will wander, for forever she withholds; the Demon King is on his way, you’d best not be learned untold… |
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