did the u.s.have to drop the bomb?

[Seanus]

Fluffy, it was all before Pearl Harbour because they knew and were putting things in place. Why do you think Afghanistan took 5 years to plan? Bush made it look like he was scrambling for ideas and strategy. Just read the Bill Woodward book to tell you that. However, he knew what to do long before. I have discussed this extensively with many Americans and most didn't want any part of what they considered a European war. Japan cast the net wider and the Roosevelt was given his chance. Just look at who profits from war. America showed again on 9/11 that it can dispose of 3000 of its own citizens for the cause of war.

I'm not in my parents' basement, I live with my fiancee in Poland and can see through the lies of official versions. Don't worry, your government loves people like you.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by bELyVIS

I wonder if all these people who think a landing on Japan, followed by house to house fighting in a country they never had been in before really would have the balls to jump off that boat? It's easy to be the General but hard to be a grunt. I wouldn't. Seeing someone die in front of you as you pull the trigger is harder than dropping a bomb from thousands of feet up and not seeing the look in their eyes.

They wouldn't know anymore about it then they would know a thought actually popped into their head. Having lived and been educated in multiple countries since i was 12 i have heard more conspiracy theories then i ever care to hear again about multiple important events in history. Usually people just grasp at straws and site this text or that text but never seem to nail down concrete proof for their speculations or the ones they are backing.

I could come up with conspiracy theories about every country put a nice spin on it and make it sound truthful its not that hard. Fate loves the ones that think they have the answers they tend to go down in flames faster than most and i tend to laugh because i have seen many many times.

Oh and 98% of the posters in here wouldnt have the ballz to invade their own neighbors yard forget about jumping off a boat in a hell storm of bullets and blood talk is cheap.

[fluffy0000]

European example ;
During the runup to WW2 The Spanish Civil War was a major conflict that devastated Spain from 17 July 1936 to 1 April 1939. Americans in the struggle against fascist served in large numbers ' Abraham Lincoln Brigade ' and other international forces against nazi germany backed nationalist.
Large segments of americans not only supported european struggle against fascistism but also fought and engaged in combat way before Pearl Harbor and against the wishes of the United States government.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

Actually I had an in depth discussion about the Japanese portrayal of WW2 quite recently... according to my Japanese friend that's not actually true.

They are taught all about it. Every single detail.

My friend is 23 years old.

Judging from the sorts of things I'm hearing in this thread... it's the American education system that should be put under the microscope... not the Japanese.

Ronin4hire you want to cite generational gaps. I have Japanese friends in their early to mid 30's who say what they learned after they lived in other countries for a time is far greater than what they learned in school Japan. I know younger Japanese in their mid 20's who seem to know more but they say they know more only because of research they have done themselves. Try asking more than one of your Japanese friends in different age groups and see what answers you get.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by Seanus

There are numerous credible sources on the net which show Pearl Harbour as a set up, a pretext. This is the oldest trick in the book and many in the know are aware of exactly what happened. Roosevelt had to convince the US to enter a war that much of the American public didn't want to enter. However, many got a sniff of the profits in WWI and decided to continue in the same vein into WWII. I get irritated by blind people who can't see how blatant a con job it was.

When can the American govt hold its hands up and actually admit to sth? 9/11 was another con job. As for manufacturing the AIDS virus, that really took the biscuit. I can even tell you where it was done as I have access to the higher levels of the US administration through a friend. I would never do that though. I have my sources, a bit like Aaron Russo RIP.

Seriously dude you are giving others Poles a bad name. I just sent several of your post to a coupe of Polish friends of mine and they all said you must have a screw loose and please dont think all Poles are like this. Seriously you guys are a dime a dozen but i never get tired of hearing shit like this.

Even Tenchu who is not exactly the US biggest supporter thinks your full of crap. You get irritated by blind people who cant see how blatant a con job was? Most get irritated by a person who for selfish reason latches on the most ludicrous theories they can find to satisfy themselves. So what your saying is anyone who doesn't agree with what you say is concrete evidence is blind and wrong is that it?

now im fucking pissed not just irritated.

[Seanus]

What on earth are you talking about, balls to invade their own neighbours? Save that kind of talk for board games. Start questioning the official versions too. Dave Vonkleit made a convincing case for showing THEM to be conspiracy theories.

What drugs do they prescribe these days or mantras do they chant to convince you that the official theory is correct? I can't believe sb would really think that Pearl Harbour wasn't a pretext.

Much is well documented. I'm not Polish btw but many Poles can see through lies. More and more Americans saw 9/11 and Pearl Harbour for what they were so stop making out that it's a country specific thing.

You fit one of the categories laid out. You are a denier and get angry easily, a classic boring case for psychologists. They have you pegged and you will just go on denying until sth changes in your mindset.

[ColinHowell]

There's a certain pattern here:

Originally Posted by Seanus

I get irritated by blind people who can't see how blatant a con job it was.

Originally Posted by Seanus

For those who are not ostriches and dig their head in the sand, they see the truth.

Originally Posted by Seanus

You have been caught hook, line and sinker like other gullible folk.

Originally Posted by Seanus

I ... can see through the lies of official versions. Don't worry, your government loves people like you.

I don't think it's worth the time to argue with someone who apparently sees his opponents in this way.

[Seanus]

The American govt can pull off almost anything as a lot of the public are fooled almost every time. It couldn't be them, could it? LOL It couldn't be that they don't care about killing us so that Raytheon and Lockheed Martin benefit, now could it? Naive people deserve everything they get coming to them.

Another View of Pearl Harbor, I couldn't have written this better myself, especially the conclusion. Innocent lives cannot be taken this way. It's the sad old story in war, the innocent die and the guilty escape.

The Truth Seeker - Pearl Harbor: The Facts Behind the Fiction, here is another filled with info. For those that believe the govt didn't know, don't worry, there's not much the public could have done other than impeach. They got off with the A-bomb, a sin of epic proportions.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by Seanus

What on earth are you talking about, balls to invade their own neighbours? Save that kind of talk for board games. Start questioning the official versions too. Dave Vonkleit made a convincing case for showing THEM to be conspiracy theories.

What drugs do they prescribe these days or mantras do they chant to convince you that the official theory is correct? I can't believe sb would really think that Pearl Harbour wasn't a pretext.

Much is well documented. I'm not Polish btw but many Poles can see through lies. More and more Americans saw 9/11 and Pearl Harbour for what they were so stop making out that it's a country specific thing.

You fit one of the categories laid out. You are a denier and get angry easily, a classic boring case for psychologists. They have you pegged and you will just go on denying until sth changes in your mindset.

LMAO really look little boy you are new here. You want to know why people are annoyed by your post? do some searching because you fit the case of many of a people i have known for almost 20 years now.

Seanus ColinHowell summed you perfectly. I dont see the world as my enemy i dont see any specific race nor nationality as my enemy but you do and apparent in your writing. Maybe if you werent calling everyone who disagreed with you blind or ignorant you would see better results it doesnt help to insult people when making your case or come off as arrogant and a bigot. The reason why im angry is not because of what you said my friend. Its because you insist you are right about everything you are the authority everyone else is wrong it did happen this way and heres why. You insist that there is no way you can be wrong and you site examples that even a first year literature student come up with. Governments love people like you who are easily swayed with the littlest bit of info that may suggest that things are not as they seem. They usually turn into radicals and when things get a little hairy and they need someone to pin it all on well lets just say they love people like you.

I do not presume to know everything nor would i be as arrogant as you to think they i know the truth behind every major event in history. Im not so arrogant and presumptions to think that anyone who disagrees with my opinion is blind or ignorant to movements of all governments in the world. Dont make the mistake i am an American who has spent his whole life here or I dont know the shit my government has pulled in the past, you want to take a stab at some conspiracy theories about Europe i have a ton? I know more than you think my friend and as i stated before you are a dime a dozen.

but you have your view and i have mine i guess we should leave it at that.

[Seanus]

Little boy? I'm 103kgs, 31 and pretty solid. I don't see any race or nationality as the problem either, the very opposite in fact. Just look at 9/11 truth or many great Americans who have exposed the lies of Pearl Harbour. I support their efforts. These are Republican patriots with a great service record to America.

I don't insist I am right as we are all just going on the available evidence. I am more than willing to entertain the prospect that I am wrong, it really doesn't matter that much to me. I was a postgraduate law student (LLM) and have been a teacher for 7 years.

I just wanted to discuss the evidence, not be met with outright rejections. Read up on History Commons, they have plenty of data.