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08-09-2009, 07:49 AM

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If anything, they're martyrs towards an anti-American cause.
Very true what you said, Tenchu.

A very pro-American Japan is always a very harmful one in respect to the Asian geopolitics in the long run.

It will be easier to kick out the corrupted pro-American South Korean president when Japan turns anti-American for the coming election. I just wish America's influence in Asia will be totally destroyed and discarded.


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08-09-2009, 08:05 AM

Japan is pro American because of China. Sure it's mostly geo political, most alliances are seldom based on mutual respect or mutual friendship, despite what they might tell the masses..

The world would probably be a better place if treaties really were about mutual respect and friendship.
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Very true what you said, Tenchu.

A very pro-American Japan is always a very harmful one in respect to the Asian geopolitics in the long run.

It will be easier to kick out the corrupted pro-American South Korean president when Japan turns anti-American for the coming election. I just wish America's influence in Asia will be totally destroyed and discarded.
Well this isn't what I said at all...


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08-09-2009, 08:11 AM

Heh, It's easy to be misunderstood.
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08-09-2009, 08:14 AM

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Japan is pro American because of China.
The problem is that China was and still is not a threat to Japan since China's main concern was Taiwan, USSR, Vietnam and India. It has never been Japan. I hope you learned your modern Chinese history, American Tongzhi.

The two nukes detonated in Japan is really a touchy subject. America should just stop the wars after WWII even after it becomes the world power. Well, America is a world power mostly based on controlling the world's market, instead of wars. Why producing more wars, America?

Anyway I believe in Karma. America will be perished from its past actions permanently.


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08-09-2009, 08:22 AM

I apologise for any overly forthright statements I put forward. I'm not a guy on any sting operation to catch anybody out. I was OTT, sorry.

As for Hiroshima, the bomb shouldn't have been used against civilians and it's as simple as that. How many times should we pay for the lunacy of our politicians? I was told by an old Japanese man in the Peace Park, 'chiero, bakayaro, Amerika-jin ga kirai dayo'. I told him, 'boku ha Amerika-jin ja nai yo, Skotorrando-jin desu. He then apologised profusely and I told him that the genbaku domu was tragic indeed. The sentiments are still there in some.

Komitsuki, good point. War sells though. Why do you think Britain has just pledged to stay in Afghanistan for 40 years? Nobody can tell me that troops from 42 countries from around the world, together with the help of the ANA with local knowledge, cannot overcome a group of bearded, old men in the Taliban. America has become so controlled that they allow firms to profit and to hell with the American reputation abroad. I know Americans whom I worked with in Japan change the flags from American to Canadian on their rucksacks. Why should they be guilty by association?

Ryzorian is also right in point 192. Mutual respect is not authentic and bona fide. It's all about building the PNAC visions as tactfully as possible.
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08-09-2009, 08:29 AM

The US will have 25% of the world market simply because it essentially has that amount of productivity and resources. Sure it's a type of default setting I understand that, but land mass is land mass and resources are resources.


I'm sure the bombs are a touchy subject in Japan, just as I'm sure Nanking is a touchy subject in China or Pearl Harbor is in the US. All nations have scars they don't like to talk about.

As to superpower status and karma...The US was pretty much a backwards hick country in 1901, By 1945 world events had created the US superpower, it wasn't like America went out of it's way to become such.

As for the wars going on now, I don't know, anything either of us say is pure conjecture on our respective parts.
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08-09-2009, 08:33 AM

Just to let you know, Ryzorian. Japan made its diplomatic ties with PR China in 1972 and ditched Taiwan; America made ties with PR China in 1979 and ditched Taiwan. If China was a threat to Japan, why did Japan made ties with China eariler than USA? The answer is China has never been a huge threat to Japan. Period.

It's sad to see an American who believes China is a huge threat. Sad, very sad.

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As for Hiroshima, the bomb shouldn't have been used against civilians and it's as simple as that.
Yes. It's very simple.

And to the firebombings as well. That the USA once semi-denied until the end of the war.

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I know Americans whom I worked with in Japan change the flags from American to Canadian on their rucksacks. Why should they be guilty by association?
Same goes to American long-term tourists in South Korea.


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08-09-2009, 08:37 AM

They are a touchy subject to some but talking about Burakumin might be even worse.

America's main foible is the breaching of international law. Attacking civilians is a heinous act. Just put yourself in the shoes of a Hiroshima-loving citizen in 1945. They perhaps cared little for petty squabbles and bore the brunt of the A-bomb. If Israel, America and Europe are afraid of a nuke from Iran, they should bear in mind Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Why should America be allowed to do that and then have the cheek not to let Iran develop a nuclear energy program that they've largely been in conformance with?
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08-09-2009, 08:50 AM

Well, Seanus. I just hope there will be a huge truth commission when the DPJ comes in power. It'll shed some lights about what happened in Japan that we don't know anything about.


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