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08-09-2009, 09:00 AM
I value the truth movements of those who devote their time and energy towards getting to an objective truth, not some appointed sham which is headed by the likes of Zelikow or Kissinger. I read very conflicting accounts last night and I don't like when people put spin on things. Virtually everyone knows that Iraq was a blatant invasion, for example. What action was taken against this? Hmm...
How did a whole fleet slip under the radar anyhow? I've heard that sth was distorting the readings, another American ship actually. I'd really hate to think that successive American governments have been complicit in any internal meddling. The transcripts I have read point to the involvement of stand-down orders, another feature of 9/11. How did the Japanese fleet get that close? That baffles me! 
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08-09-2009, 09:02 AM
I said this because the current dominant party, LDP, favors too much of America over its Japanese citizens. With the change of politics, we could see some more insights about this.
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08-09-2009, 09:10 AM
However, there will always be those that speak out against the tide of public opinion, even in Japan where the nail that sticks up gets hammered down. There was a Japanese MP who outlined the case against conventional 9/11 'official' wisdom. The same could be done on other fronts or does Japan have a strong 'whip' system in politics which makes them tow the line? I wouldn't count on any changes as they wouldn't want to open Pandora's Box, this wouldn't be in keeping with Japan's traditional approach to things. Being hushed into secrecy is a sign of the times.
Anyway, it is great when the truth finally outs but it should've been revealed a long time ago. I don't like efforts to uncover it decades after it happened.
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08-09-2009, 10:34 AM
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Ok, I'm going to be nice here. How in the world do you think that Iran having a nuke is similar to the US? DO YOU EVEN know what would potentially happen, WHEN a TERRORIST sponsoring state gets a hold of such a weapon? Buddy they have NOT been in compliance with the INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. Quote:
You do realize the technological level at the time do you not? Do I have to mention that the internal problems America was facing/getting out at the time? Quote:
9/11 Conspiracies - Introduction - Conspiracy Science 9/11 Conspiracies - Sources - Conspiracy Science You do know they Defeated Russia? Simple wiki for ya. Soviet war in Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia That said you don't realize that even with today's technological you still can't track a target to a pinpoint location in a mountainous region (with caves). They have "home advantage" also knowing the terrain unless you have vastly superior numbers your fighting a war of attrition with lunatics that would willingly blow themselves up. Tell me another war of the past where where the world had to deal with such? The bomb was dropped during a time when the opinion and view on war was vastly different then what it is today. Like the saying goes "no two wars are fought the same". The very simple answer was because it would save lives. There is also a reason WHY two where dropped, NOT at the same time mind you. America gave Japan the chance to surrender the government did not thus a second one was dropped. now think for a second and do it with thought to how that time was. Do you invade a country to where it took TWO bombs for it to surrender or do you save lives arguably in any way you can? These are decisions of war, and there not pretty. 31 Whether therefore ye eat or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 32 Give none offense, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God. 33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.
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08-09-2009, 11:10 AM
I've only been discussing WWII in depth for the last year but I don't profess to be an expert. I'm not talking about hindsight, I'm talking about foreknowledge.
The whole point is to discuss whether dropping the bomb was the right decision, not being defensive and ducking the issue. According to the last US investigation, Iran have been in compliance. America sponsored the IRA and Jundullah and many more terrorist organisations for years. What do you have to say to that? They want to pursue peaceful nuclear energy and the most recent reports have confirmed that they are doing everything consonant with that pursuit. 9/11 crap? History Commons is full of research, not pulled from the sky. Start arguing and debating and not being defensive. There was no link to Iraq and many have even admitted that now. I know they defeated Russia, yes. What does Brightest Corporation mean to you? I'll give you a clue, Argentina. How about Unocal? Listen to Carl Schwarz. The war in Afghanistan is hard but the ANA provides local knowledge and guide the Allied troops. They don't want to win this war quickly and that's the point. I agree that they saved many lives but how do you compensate those families who lost innocent loves ones? Please answer considering it was your family that was wiped out. This is my central point, the taking of innocent life. Please don't quote me provisions of the Bible, it's insulting given how callous you were to the suffering of innocent lives after the A-bomb. True Christians will feel offended unless you condemn the loss of innocent life directly.
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08-09-2009, 12:20 PM
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I don't think so... Japan may move towards a more independent foreign policy... but you're dreaming if you think Japan will become anti-American in the near future anyway. China will always be a security threat to Japan and Japanese interests in the region so long as China remains a one-party authoritarian state therefore Japan will always be allied with the United States politically. The same goes for South Korea. The only thing stopping North Korea from launching an attack on the South is the threat of overwhelming US retaliation. As long as authoritarian regimes threaten the prosperity and livelihood of Asia then I welcome the security umbrella the US provides it's allies in the region.
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08-09-2009, 12:46 PM
What realistic prospect is there of China attacking Japan? What major conflicts could provoke the Chinese? South Korea almost gave the North a pretext in siding with the US over ship inspections. North Korea, however, isn't as central as Iran when discussing the nuclear issue. If it was, we'd have reacted to it having the desire to use nukes long ago. They are posturing and America knows that. Remember, the tension must be maintained and it's all a game designed to make certain people a lot of money.
The umbrella, for all its ostensible intrusiveness, is an effective deterrent in modern times.
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08-09-2009, 06:31 PM
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Im so glad the rest of my Canadians friend don't think like you because honestly for a months now you have given me a very bad impression of all Canadians. 
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08-09-2009, 06:43 PM
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08-09-2009, 06:43 PM
Why do you do this, Sinestra? Look at his views as a forum poster and don't bring other Canadians into it. You paint people as national spokesmen and that's wrong. OK, there may be a 'Canadian' position, or 'American' position but these are governmental generally.
Back to the topic, are you callous enough not to apologise, as an American, for Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the loss of innocent life? That's your line of thought. For me, you don't come from that generation and had nothing to do with it. So, as a person and out of humanitarian concerns, can you condemn the then American govt for what they did? Aha, thanks Sinestra. Still, I don't like people with signature postings about the Bible and them being so unfeeling.
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