did the u.s.have to drop the bomb?

[samurai007]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Yes, thus you must murder the innocent. Killing children means the USA will be safe. I agree.

Anyway, is it really so bad that Americans would have died to spare some Japanese lives? America acted violently, also, remember.

Besides, Japan had no intention of bringing the war to America. They never wanted to land on American soil; they just wanted them to stay out. The bombing raid on Pearl Harbour had one purpose; to exactly smash American military. It was strategical and pre-emptive.

I doubt they ever would have killed many innocent Americans, so that is kinda backwards, what you said.

That wasn't the choice, more Americans for fewer Japanese. The choice was many, many more Americans and MANY, MANY MORE Japanese being killed in a land invasion if they either didn't drop the bombs or the bombs didn't work and they decided to continue the war anyway. And they very nearly chose to do that... they refused to surrender after Hiroshima, and after Nagasaki, the vote was a tie, 50% for surrender, 50% to keep fighting. The Emperor is then allowed to break the tie (which is the only time he got a vote), and chose surrender. If even 1 person had changed their mind, the war would have continued.

[samurai007]

Originally Posted by Kandierain15

oh....hmm.. No but I've literally never heard of that before. I mean, America killing their own practically for money? That doesn't make sense. I thought America wanted to protect their citizens?

These are the same kind of people that claim Bush either orchestrated or knew about 9/11 and allowed it to happen. They're nuts.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Nyororin,

Did you write that kind of as a reply to my posts?

Anyway, it is an entirly different issue altogether; using civilians as soldier is equally as retarded as murdering innocent civilians.

There used to be a time when, once your Army was lost, you admitted defeat and gave up.

The concept at losing a war (especially a big one) seems to scare America a lot.

I think America starts out fighting for justice every time. Yet always has trouble achieving its victories. But given how zealot they are with their beliefs, they think any sacrafice should be made in order to win.

So when they cannot win justly, they commit unjust crimes to achieve victory.

In the end, they may win their wars, but they return to home the enemy they set out to kill after all they've done.

All they do is murder, and their goal of justice is never achieved. They are lost.

Tenchu dont act like every nation that has risen and fallen in humanities bloody warning history has not committed atrocities stamping the US on your post does relieve your country or anyone elses of the suffering they have inflicted throughout history and yes that includes the US.

OP next time do a search there are 3 different threads of this type of question. This is a sensitive subject that never seems to get any easier to talk about. My family has been in the military since the American Civil war and i have had a family member fight in every major war the US has been involved in since that time. The US and Japan are at fault in some form or fashion in WWII sugar coating wont do anyone any good it freaking happen if someone knows how to change history please let me know because i have a few thing i would like to change.

Do i think the bomb should have been dropped? I dont know i was not there i did not fight. I did see the intel that said that invading the Japanese main land would be more costly than dropping the bomb. Regardless people were going to die people die in WAR. war is so terrible and horrible so that we wont find pleasure in it..

If anyone think their nation is above having committed atrocities or making bad decisions that has cost the lives of civilians not only will i call you a moron but im afraid i might have to ask you to remove your genetic code from this planet and not breed.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by packetpirate

To everyone in this topic who is trying to justify what the U.S. did... war is never right. It is a despicable trait of humanity. People try to say we NEED war for change... that's a load of shit. The only thing that needs to change is us. Our first solution to a dispute is to go to war because humanity is a small child. When we don't like another country's habits, we bully them. Except that in reality, we're not just bullying them, we're killing them. Who gave the U.S. the authority to determine who should live or die? And for that matter, who gave people the right to judge others and tell them how they can or can't live their lives? (Authority)

America prides itself as appearing as the only "free" country of the world, but that freedom is because they'll kill anyone who stands in the way of that freedom, for whatever reason. While that may sound good in retrospect, the point is that they're just looking for a reason to go off and kill anyone who doesn't agree with them.

So no, I don't think there was any justification for dropping those bombs. The civilians that were killed, or even worse, mutated, had nothing to do with the war and should not have been made to suffer for the army's disputes.

WOW life is going to throw you some nasty curve balls if you are really this naive.

Who gave the Nazi's the right to determine which race was the purest. Who gave the Rome the right to subjugate or kill every territory? I can go on and on and on look back down through history my friend. The world is not as black and white as you seem to think it is.

[bELyVIS]

A lot of you need to watch the History Channel more. The U.S. wasn't blameless, but they didn't strike first. They embargoed oil to Japan which got Japan pissed off. Japan joined Germany and were planning to invade through China while the Germans attacked from the other side and push up into Russia. The embargo ended that plan.
Who ever thinks America allowed Japan to attack Pearl Harbor so they could get involved in the war is crazy. At the time the U.S. Military was rated ninth in the world due to the number of men and lack of equipment. They weren't prepared for war.
As far as allowing more Americans to die, what if the ones to die were you or your family? You would probably dropped the bomb yourself if you felt this would save your family or friends, civilian deaths or not.
There is a saying "Peace through superior firepower", this is true as we saw Japan surrender after the bombings.

[samurai007]

"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." - John Stuart Mill

[seiki]

Originally Posted by samurai007

They don't mention it because it's a completely unproven conspiracy theory created by revisionist anti-American historians.

I am not 100% on why they didn't do anything about the planes but they definitly knew about it. The u.s. was given the radar by their allies the british. FDR had been goading japan into retaliation through embargoes that were causing strain on the economy since there are no natural oil resorces. The u.s. knew that japan was doing somthing but had a so much information that they didn't know what to make of it. They also highly underestimated japan as an enemy.

Maybe some people should just search the internet or pay attention in class. Look for your self. Make your own opinions.

[fluffy0000]

Full blown war on mainland of China between China and Japan was already happening in 1937. The US economic sanctions against Japan and embargos did not happen in a vacuum. As early as 192o's military expansionist policy was already understood that the United States and Japan were on a collusion course. Note The Washington Naval Conference 1921-22
Between 1921 and 1922, the world's largest naval powers gathered in Washington for a conference to discuss naval disarmament and ways to relieve growing tensions in East Asia.

In 1921, U.S. Secretary of State Charles Evans Hughes invited nine nations to Washington to discuss naval reductions and the situation in the Far East. Great Britain, Japan, France and Italy were invited to take part in talks on reduction of naval capacity, and Belgium, China, the Netherlands and Portugal were invited to join in discussions on the situation in the Far East. Three major treaties emerged out of the Washington Conference: the Five-Power Treaty, the Four-Power Treaty, and the Nine-Power Treaty.

The Five-Power treaty, signed by the United States, Great Britain, Japan, France and Italy was the cornerstone of the naval disarmament program.

[ThaDuke]

You hit us, we hit you.

It's pretty simple.

[Sinestra]

Even the Japanese acknowledge the role they had in WWII. Except for Toshio Tamogami the former ASDF chief who stated. "Japan was a benevolent colonial ruler and not the aggressor before and during World War II". which was rejected by just about everyone with a brain and then he was removed.