The N-Word

[Tenchu]

Paragraphing, dude. That wall of text is nearly unreadable...

[Salvanas]

Originally Posted by Zagato289

yeah, hate isnt easy to convince. sometimes i think that if words dont work, lets used force, even though its wrong. im interested about those people in England you said earlier, tell me more about. Did you get your ass kick or saw someone else got theirs trying to do something againts them.

Nothing happened to me. I'm not particularly.

These men, are huge guys, who hate almost every race, apart from the English.

You can try to use force. But you won't get anywhere.

[mercedesjin]

Originally Posted by Salvanas

What will that change, in the long run? Nothing.

Another factor here, is that it depends on the person. A racist person will be racist, regardless if he knows or not.

A person who is not racist, will not be racist.



But what's the point, when you can just say one word, which describes your culture?



You didn't understand my point.

Nigger, negro and all the other ones like Caucasian and Hispanic (I don't agree to the last three being racist, but I'll agree with you for my example) are offensive. And I'll agree that they should be, let's say, banned.

Let's say they are. Again, people will still be racist, by using for example, American.

"He's an American." - This isn't racist.
"He's a fucking American" - This is racist.

People will still be racist, when you take away the slurs. It's all about how the person uses the word.

The only way to get rid of this, is to;

A: Ban words that say the Nationalities name. The problem is, people will then make up other words for being used as racist remarks. So...

B: Get rid of racism from people, as a whole. The problem with this, is it's just impossible, and futile, because as you said so yourself, we're all racist.

So in the end. You get no where. You go in circles.

OOOOOH. I understand what you're saying now. Yeah, that's true. Racism will exist whether offensive words exist or not. To me, though, taking away offensive words is just a small step in the right direction.

Tenchu: I don't think you're being racist if you use the word caucasian. I think that, before reading the article, you were blissfully ignorant - how much of prefer to be, honestly. Now that you've read the information, and you know what it means, you can choose to make a change or ignore what you know. As I've explained before, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to ignore and not make a change. Taking words out of your vocabulary - words you've used since childhood - are a little difficult. It's like stripping away at who you are and all you know. Knowing that, I don't really expect anything from you.

burkhartdesu: Then why be in this thread? That's something I can't quite understand. Honestly, without getting into an argument, can you explain that to me? Why are there so many people who are "pissed off" at me, who only have negative things to say without actually responding to the topic at hand - who are really, very annoyed by everything I have to say - and why don't they ever leave this thread? Is it because they're attracted to negativity? Is it boredom? Seriously, I'm not trying to insult you or anything like that. I just want to see someone's POV on that, someone who is annoyed, because I can't begin to understand on my own.

SSJup81 (and MMM, I guess): I absolutely understand where you guys are coming from. I do. I've argued this point before with MMM, and we've discussed this point already. I say that is a person in Japan were to ask me, "Are you related to Rihanna?" just because we're both black, that's innocence. Here in the USA, I'd be offended. In Japan, I know that there isn't the same cultural history.

Let's look at Japanese history, though. They've borrowed a lot from China, haven't they? They borrowed the ideas of Buddhism, writing, culture - and, though they've only borrowed those ideas, it became a part of Japanese culture.

Japan has now borrowed a lot from the USA as well. Entertainment, mostly. They've also, unfortunately, borrowed the ideas on racism. They don't know what it means. Yet it's become a part of Japanese culture. This means that, any child that has seen that videogame, will now associate black people with that picture. Anyone who has seen blackface will associate black people with that. I don't know about you, but when I look at blackface, I see the idea that a race can easily be portrayed by a little bit of makeup and some simple, stereotyped gestures. I'm sure that people understand stereotyping across all nations and cultures. I'm sure that people understand that it's wrong. So why is it that, in Japan, it's all right to stereotype an entire race through blackface? They may not understand the USA history behind it, but because they've borrowed it from the USA, they think that it's acceptable. They think that mock portrayals of black people is entertainment.

Ministry show, anyone?

This is why history should be taught: so that it doesn't happen again.

Seraphim: You're arguing for reclaiming the word, and it's interesting. That's just something I personally can't agree with. A word will always have the history behind of it.

[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by mercedesjin

Tenchu: I don't think you're being racist if you use the word caucasian. I think that, before reading the article, you were blissfully ignorant - how much of prefer to be, honestly. Now that you've read the information, and you know what it means, you can choose to make a change or ignore what you know. As I've explained before, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to ignore and not make a change. Taking words out of your vocabulary - words you've used since childhood - are a little difficult. It's like stripping away at who you are and all you know. Knowing that, I don't really expect anything from you.

LOL

You think I read the article??? Hehehe...

As if...

I mean, if I posted a link with a title saying "Calling yonug dogs "pups" after they're 6 months old may be offensive" would you bother to read it? No. See my point?

Mercedes, you have some serious problems.

[Seanus]

I wouldn't use it due to the old pejorative undertones. I really couldn't care less if sb was black, brown, yellow or white. God made variety the spice of life and we should be thankful.

Many people have come far and worked hard to avoid racial tension and fighting. Let's continue in that vein!

[mercedesjin]

Originally Posted by Seanus

I wouldn't use it due to the old pejorative undertones. I really couldn't care less if sb was black, brown, yellow or white. God made variety the spice of life and we should be thankful.

Many people have come far and worked hard to avoid racial tension and fighting. Let's continue in that vein!

I like that philosophy. Unfortunately, it's a little hard to do in this day and age. Maybe in a few decades, with more education on race relations, things can change.

[Seanus]

I wouldn't say in this day and age. We have been educating people for a long time on this issue but some people just don't want to know and would prefer to ignore schooling. Martin Luther King got the ball rolling many decades ago (1929-1968 RIP). There are 'baddies' on both sides but I always felt that the Black Panthers were redressing the imbalance whereas the KKK were rubbing white supremacy in their faces. I'm white btw. I'd be classed as a WASP but I don't like labels and don't see myself as Protestant. I was only sent to church when I was younger.

Still, we have these programs like Star Trek:TNG where humanity has overcome its deficiencies and prejudices and moved towards the collective benefit of mankind. If we work together on pooling our knowledge on the humanities, who cares what colour we are? We will have made our mark

[mercedesjin]

Originally Posted by Seanus

I wouldn't say in this day and age. We have been educating people for a long time on this issue but some people just don't want to know and would prefer to ignore schooling. Martin Luther King got the ball rolling many decades ago (1929-1968 RIP). There are 'baddies' on both sides but I always felt that the Black Panthers were redressing the imbalance whereas the KKK were rubbing white supremacy in their faces. I'm white btw. I'd be classed as a WASP but I don't like labels and don't see myself as Protestant. I was only sent to church when I was younger.

Still, we have these programs like Star Trek:TNG where humanity has overcome its deficiencies and prejudices and moved towards the collective benefit of mankind. If we work together on pooling our knowledge on the humanities, who cares what colour we are? We will have made our mark

God that is so true. Everything you've said is true, but that's the thing that really gets me. I guess it's something we can't do anything about, though. We can't force people to want to learn and know.

Star Trek has been a pioneer for race relations in entertainment, hasn't it? One of the first TV shows to have an interracial couple. Love it. But yeah, the color of our skin is basically defined by the same gene that defines the color of our hair. It's kind of interesting to imagine a society that defines who people are based only on the color of their hair, not their skin.

[bELyVIS]

Originally Posted by Zagato289

Puerto Ricans are not hispanics, they are latinos/latinas. Why? because hispanics is used for people from Spain and Spaniards Americans, and Latinos are from Latin America. True some people dont get offended, but that doesnt mean they like it. Some people who dont get offended is not just because they dont care, it could be that they dont even know the difference between those words themselves. It would be nice to let them know the difference if you know.

Look, both you and Mercedesjin are looking for PC terms for races. You claim Latino is more correct than Hispanic. How can you truly call someone something when it isn't correct?

Latin America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here it says that Latin America includes Brazil. But anyone who knows Brazil knows that their culture and language are very different than the other countries included. How do you explain that? So calling someone Hispanic is technically more correct than Latino in most cases.


And Mercedesjin, don't post that stupid paste up about Latinos for the 6th time. That just says you have no proof and you can't find a better case to prove you are right.

[mercedesjin]

Originally Posted by bELyVIS

Look, both you and Mercedesjin are looking for PC terms for races. You claim Latino is more correct than Hispanic. How can you truly call someone something when it isn't correct?

Latin America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here it says that Latin America includes Brazil. But anyone who knows Brazil knows that their culture and language are very different than the other countries included. How do you explain that? So calling someone Hispanic is technically more correct than Latino in most cases.

Unfortunately, you're attempting to redefine an entire country when the country itself defines itself a part of Latin America. That's kind of like saying that, "You might be American, but you don't speak English and are not white and don't have a house with a white picket fence. Therefore, you're not really American." There are many different experiences that create the USA. There are many different experiences that create Latin America.