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08-14-2009, 05:22 AM

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MMM, mad respect to you. But... you're the last person I would think to start such a controversal thread. You know how it's going to end up; closed.


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I love how she explains so "clearly."
"There was nothing. And out of that bursts the universe which created stars and space and time and everything."

I just can't believe in such a thing. Even if it is just a theory.
This is controversial? I thought it was an interesting theory, and her explanation, though very simple, is very clear.

I can't imagine why it would get closed.

Not sure what atheism has to do with it...
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08-14-2009, 05:24 AM

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Not sure what atheism has to do with it...
Was a mistake on my part. I edited the picture.


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08-14-2009, 06:25 AM

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This is controversial? I thought it was an interesting theory, and her explanation, though very simple, is very clear.

I can't imagine why it would get closed.

Not sure what atheism has to do with it...
Not just aethism..religion in general, creationism ect.

I really like this theory myself.


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08-14-2009, 06:47 AM

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Not just aethism..religion in general, creationism ect.

I really like this theory myself.
In America (and almost nowhere else in the world) some people like to equate religion and science.

I like this theory, too. It is interesting to imagine the Big Bang as a recurring event, or that we are in just one of who-knows-how-many parallel universes. Or maybe they aren't parallel...
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08-14-2009, 06:49 AM

I think that the Earth's population was created by a reptilian race, who is using us in a massive ant-farm experiment to harvest gold...


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08-14-2009, 07:38 AM

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My thoughts:
Why is big bang, or, in this case, the big bounce, automatically mean we're atheists?

Why does understanding science mean we think there is no point to anything?

If you look hard enough, the concept that an explosion of magnitude came out of an abyss of "nothingness" is actually very deep, and potentially very spiritual.

I'd like to hear where you think everything came from, then...

Anyway, some religions do have answers as to how "nothingness" created something.

If you look at the Japanese version of the pentagram, the wheel of life, it shows 5 elements and a recurring cycle. The 5th element is void; the essence that existed and created the power when no other element did exist, i.e. big bangs.

The mistake you're making is a very big one; you automatically assume you understand everything, even when you openly say you don't. Put it this way; if I were to tell you "Belief in God is daft, how can one being possibly be so powerful?" a good Christian would scold me for being so naive, and thinking a mere human could understand Gods special essence and power. This is the same thing.

An atheist who says there is nothing, especially at the moment of the big bang, is really a bit of a moron. An intelligent man will never deny the idea that there's some things that are simply beyond his understanding and perception.

For example, we see in four color pigmentations, yet there is actually 8 that exist, and only one creature on the planet that can see them all. In that creatures eyes, we are colorblind. Is it really unscientific to assume the same disability may exist with perception of a spiritual presence? No.

Saying there is nothing may be correct, but it is also naive.

Either way, the big bounce is real, there is much more info on it that just this video. The big bounce, for now, is a theory, but the big bang is a fact. You'll have to come to terms with that.

Work spirituality with science, not around it.


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08-14-2009, 11:19 AM

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The image talks wrong, like every other image made form religious people. No atheist says that there was nothingness and atheist means LACK OF BELIEF, so the image automatically makes itself invalid.

2nd, many of you call emptiness the same as nothingness. Emptiness is proven to be able to change its form based on certain reactions. You can't create anything from nothingness, no human ever witnessed such a thing, and there is no basis to say that nothingness exists. Therefore it's safe to make a theory that the universe always existed, in different forms, and the big bang is the one who made it expand to what it is today.

I hope I made myself clear to those who think atheism is what that image speaks.

And Nyoronin, atheism is not a religion...



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08-14-2009, 11:44 AM

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And Nyoronin, atheism is not a religion...
Atheism is a lack of religion. It`s very very hard - dare I say impossible - to discuss atheism as *atheism* without bringing religion into it.

Either way - if the derailment to religion/lack of religion discussion continues, the thread WILL be closed.


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08-14-2009, 12:14 PM

Interesting video.

I remember hearing a 'multiverse' theory similar to her explanation in a video about string theory. In how these universes would collide, and that set off 'big bangs' and 'big crunches'.

I wish I could remember the title of that video.
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08-14-2009, 12:33 PM

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Why is big bang, or, in this case, the big bounce, automatically mean we're atheists?
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Who is this? What have you done to Tenchu? I remember I used to tell you this kind of stuff back in the day, and you just kept on making everything Religion vs Science?! What happened?
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