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08-17-2009, 10:00 AM
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Anyway, your statement about Fire not being an element... I don't know where to start laughing... The eternal Saint is calling, through the ages she has told. The ages have not listened; the will of faith has grown old…
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08-17-2009, 10:26 AM
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And what are you talking about here? are you trying to talk about my questions of life, god and religion? The majority of questions I ask about these three, I still don't have a satisfactory answer. However, I do feel I am getting closer to answering them with what you call my disability, lol! EDIT; I think what iPhantom is trying to say to you is The first law of thermodynamics! In a sense, he does have a point, according to that, what exists now couldn't have been created, just transformed! |
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08-17-2009, 11:20 AM
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I don't really believe that you study Quantum physics to be honest as you don't really exude the sort of intelligence required... But whatever it's irrelevant. I'm well aware of the grand proposals based upon the mathematical gymnastics involved in the field. And you never specified Quantum physics.... you said all modern science. Anyway not only did you backtrack... you said science was not rational. Yet the grand proposals made by Quantum physicists, while far-fetched... are actually rational and are hopefully one day testable. Perhaps you need to look up the meaning of rational in the dictionary (Yeah right! Quantum physicist my ass) The Big Bang theory is more probable than creationism simply because creationism is improbable to the point where it's simply made up. There is NO evidence to back it up... just speculation based upon outdated and inconsistent literature. Not only that but the theory of creationism has many holes... the biggest one being of course.. who created the creator? In fact creationism is probably the only theory I've heard of that thrives on the lack of evidence! And what do you mean scientists can't prove the wind is real! It's a testable phenomena which is observable and explainable.. I don't know how more "proven" you want wind to be! Wait... let me guess.. you're going to tell me you're a meteorologist as a comeback... Please!  |
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08-17-2009, 11:43 AM
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Trust a Muslim to think everything is about God and his religion! I was reffering to your simple questions, Noodle, like "Where did I put my underwear?" and "Why does this food taste like someone peed in it?" Quote:
But that is how the current world works. We could recycle beer bottles until the buffalo comes home; it doesn't change that at some point in history, someone actually did make a first beer bottle out of... lets just say "nothing" for the point of my argument. Each item is a recreation of particles from former items. But there must have been an initial item. A first, God like item... a heavenly beer... do you see my point? Anyway, I'd like to raise an interesting question: if all shit now is only to be recycled, how is it going to end? How the universe will end seems even more difficult to think of than how it began. The eternal Saint is calling, through the ages she has told. The ages have not listened; the will of faith has grown old…
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08-17-2009, 11:52 AM
Firstly, for a laugh, a member with no posts who has no doubt also spammed your email box just sent me this:
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Anyway, saying "Who created the creator?" to discard creationism is pretty silly. I mean, if there's no creator at all, what created existence? Frankly, Noodles idea seems less complex than yours. I mean, at least he has a theory as to where all this shit came from, even if an old man had to sleep with a little girl to get it! The eternal Saint is calling, through the ages she has told. The ages have not listened; the will of faith has grown old…
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08-17-2009, 12:19 PM
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Furthermore you realise that your phrasing of a question as a comeback to my post just shows your feeble language skills more than anything. "If there's no creator at all, what created existence?" You've already made the assumption that existence was created! Do I really have to explain to you the possiblity that existence wasn't created at all? Perhaps it happened by accident? Perhaps it never had a beginning? And finally you make the claim that ANY old theory is better than having no theory at all? How do I come back to such idiocy! |
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08-17-2009, 12:40 PM
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Oh and the link: Big Bounce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <-- It's a better version of the Big Bang which specifically says that Big Bang wasn't the start but is something which has happened in earlier universes and will happen again. Much more believable than the Big Bang theory which says it was the real start. Quote:
Here: Astrology and the classical elements - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Those are your elements, and it's astrology. Do you know what modern science thinks about this rubbish?  Quote:
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08-17-2009, 12:45 PM
INTERNETWARS!!! Kick ass!
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Ronin, how are we supposed to understand everything? We've only just turned from monkeys into machine makers almost last night, it seems. You think the evolution process has finished, and you're the direct end result and purpose of 4 billion years of evolution and all beings that exist forever after you will be either your equals or lesser, but none more advanced? As far as I'm concerned, we're all still as good as monkeys, anyway. So no, I don't have faith that we can understand perfectly something that has no physical form whatsoever and can create a blast so powerful it could both create and destroy everything we know. Especially when I simply having trouble creating enough power to simply make a boxing-bag move. I think you're a little naive, Ronin. If evolution continues ("if" is implying that we'll probably destroy the world first and everything will finish), oneday you're going to look as pathetic to the future beings as banana throwing monkeys look to us today. And yes, I don't know your age, but I'm guessing it's anywhere from 5 - 30 (having trouble chosing whether I should pay more attention to your avatar or your personality to guess your age). You think that if God did exist, you'd have managed to conjure enough wisdom in these small few years to be able to surely comment on where the fuck he came from? I don't believe in God, Ronin. It's not because all religous folk I've met are insecure retards, it's just because the way they describe him as a concious and almost human like being seems pretty fucking childish to me. But that doesn't mean I'm naive enough to assume there's no force out there that cannot exist independant of existence. Quote:
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I guess this is just one of them things that is beyond you; yes, Ronin, I know for a fact that all things in existence today have a moment of creation where, at the moment before they were created, no other physical thing existed in which they could have been made from. Call it a womens intuition, but I'm not naive enough to believe just because something can be recycled, that it's always been recycled. That's a cute as a belief like MissMisa had thinking the universe goes on forever... Quote:
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08-17-2009, 12:47 PM
iPhantom, you're clearly not following this thread too well, so I'll give you a moment to catch up before I reply.
Gotta wait for these slower ones... The eternal Saint is calling, through the ages she has told. The ages have not listened; the will of faith has grown old…
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08-17-2009, 01:02 PM
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OK... I'm naive to not believe in something that has no evidence of existence. You're real smart there Tenchu. Quote:
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