Should the president be able to address school children

[burkhartdesu]

When asked about the federal reserve, Obama replied:

"I don't think it's good policy for a President, or President elect, to second-guess the Fed."

This whole thing is a distraction from the real woes of our Government. Don't get so worked up about a Goddamned speech to school kids, when the Federal Income Tax is enslaving them!


YouTube - Obama and the Federal Reserve

[MMM]

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

Way to put a underhanded back slap into that. Perhaps you shouldn't put those tones into your writing. Also would you care to provide examples?

I never said parents didn't have the right to do what is best for their children or that I knew how to raise their children better than they do.

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

MMM, at this point you very well know that it is not the issue of speaking to children along those lines. Yet you continue to make it so. Why can't you seam to understand that people come to different conclusions, and BECAUSE of the current political environment AND arguably (there is a huge reason why I use that word) issues that have been handled by the white house. At the very least don't degrade people like that.

Enough of this patronizing. You continue to lump me together with those, who I don't have the same conclusion with! You certainly don't see that way, I don't see that way, DOESN'T mean someone else will not. The only people who I'm defending (not exactly) are those who are not doing this out of hate/lies nut honestly thank there is a problem.

And my point remains that there is no problem, the only problem is one that is manufactured in people's brains.

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

Yet, the parent is rightfully in charge of that education wither you like it or not. Wither you agree or not, they do retain the right of what and how there child learns. At this point, you not in a position to degrade, and question someone who is trying to be a good parent. Wither that be a conservative view, or liberal view. Constructive criticism comes to mind.

I never degraded anyone for trying to be a good parent. But even you must agree that trying and doing are two different things. The parents that let their child die of pneumonia because they thought God, not a doctor, could help here were trying to be good parents, but they were not good parents.
that is very well what the speech is, BUT that was NEVER MY POINT!



What are you playing at? [/quote]

There are people who are vocal about the fact they don't trust the president to talk to their children because of the color of his skin.

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

That is not what happening thought (bold part). Regardless of the actual intellect of the student, a parent is still a parent and doesn't want certain thing in there view to influence there children.

But that is absolutely what is happening. We have ratings on movies because some movies are too much for people of certain age groups to handle. So what is happening is that people are saying "The president's speech should be restricted, as my child cannot handle his words." What does that say about what the president is saying? What does that say about the intelligence of our own children? There is nothing positive about either of those answers and the negative effect it has on children's opinions of a president, a man they aren't even allowed to listen to, can have real damaging effects.

Of course parents want to block children from things that are harmful to them. In this case, those parents were wrong.

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

It wasn't the fact they didn't know what was going to be said, but what might be said.

You nailed it right on the head right there. There was an assumption that what the president would say would be harmful to children. That assumption has never happened before for any other president before January 20, 2009.

What is different about this president from all the previous presidents that makes people assume he is dangerous to children?

I'll give an example of something; would you rather give the chance for your child of getting hurt/whatnot or perhaps having foreknowledge (again, I'm taking this from a viewpoint that a parent might have, not my own) of the situation prevent that from happening by taking steps? Maybe that would be over-parenting, maybe something bad was prevented, I'm not discussing the results of there actions. What I'm coming from is two-fold one is the honestly of there actions (If they believe what they are doing), and there parental rights.
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I don't understand your question here. I wonder if these same parents who blocked their children from hearing the speech allow their children to ride a bus to school or use a bicycle to go to a friend's house or play on the monkey bars. Those are all potentially dangerous activities right?

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

that is funny, questioning my reasoning here. I was never challenging the speech WAS I? I was defending the right of the parent to see fit how to raise there children, and my own view of what the priorities might or should be (not a big issue for me).

Yet, both sides continue to point the finger in each others eye on every issue? Do you not get the drift? Each side is not blameless!

Actually in the end conservatives said it was a good speech and children should have listened to it. It's too little too late, though. Fox News and Rush Limbaugh can claim victory for successfully undermining a positive step for children and making President Obama look like a bigger boogie man in the eyes of some children than he was a week ago. That's the true tragedy in this whole thing.

[burkhartdesu]

This argument is a waste.

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by burkhartdesu

This argument is a waste.

They'll never learn.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

They'll never learn.

Who is "they"?

[Koir]

Originally Posted by MMM

Who is "they"?

Not sure, but I'll replace "argument" with "thread" and it makes sense to me.

Can this thread be shut down before it consumes the entirety of a nominally Japan-only forum? Please?

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by MMM

Who is "they"?

Look at the mirror. And please read Burkhartdesu's posts.

[burkhartdesu]

Didn't anyone (besides Komitsuki) read what I posted?

If you were half way rational you would realize that arguing petty things like this are exactly what they want you to do.

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by burkhartdesu

Didn't anyone (besides Komitsuki) read what I posted?

If you were half way rational you would realize that arguing petty things like this are exactly what they want you to do.

Other than that, American politics is an utter joke like Zimbabwe's. American politics is always a nice source of semi-sarcastic B-rated amusement.

Hell, and I'm a (now) Canadian who used to live in the States.

[Aniki]

So when is his speech? I'm quite curious how "brainwashing" it's going to be