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As for what I feel Obama would have said, I think he'd have pushed his agendas on a variety of subjects, including socialized medicine, environmentalism, etc. I think it would have been a soft-sell, aimed at a younger audience, not a fiery hard-sell campaign style speech, but still full of assumptions about what Obama believes and is pushing for. I think he was going to ask kids to get involved in these issues in some way, which is what the homework was referring to. I think he would have couched things in terms that young kids couldn't see through, such as "socialized medicine just wants to help poor people who get sick..." Never mind whether there are better free-market ways to accomplish that goal, he'd leave kids to believe that opposing his plan means you must want poor people who get sick to suffer and die... an impression I'm sure he's only too happy to instill, since they say as much in their rhetoric to adults too.
This is a fascinating example of delusional, self-propagating fiery-eyed rhetoric.


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This is a fascinating example of delusional, self-propagating fiery-eyed rhetoric.
Ok, then just what did Obama need the kids to help him with? You don't phrase a pledge to stay in school as "How can we help Obama?"

And there's nothing delusional or fiery-eyed about it, it's the logical conclusion given who Obama is and what he believes.


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Did the left shake hands after Bush won in 2000? Or when he won again in 2004? Heck no. Now the shoe is on the other foot, and Obama should expect the same resistance Bush got from beginning to end.

As for what I feel Obama would have said, I think he'd have pushed his agendas on a variety of subjects, including socialized medicine, environmentalism, etc. I think it would have been a soft-sell, aimed at a younger audience, not a fiery hard-sell campaign style speech, but still full of assumptions about what Obama believes and is pushing for. I think he was going to ask kids to get involved in these issues in some way, which is what the homework was referring to. I think he would have couched things in terms that young kids couldn't see through, such as "socialized medicine just wants to help poor people who get sick..." Never mind whether there are better free-market ways to accomplish that goal, he'd leave kids to believe that opposing his plan means you must want poor people who get sick to suffer and die... an impression I'm sure he's only too happy to instill, since they say as much in their rhetoric to adults too.
Both 2000 and 2004 were controversial elections, in that it wasn't clear initially who had won, where in this election the results were much more clear.

I really find it hard to believe you think he would try to push a political agenda on 6 year olds. Children can't vote, so there is no point in talking about health care with them. On the other side, it would essentially be political suicide to do such a thing.

"Helping the president" is not a bad thing. It doesn't matter if you like him or not, helping is always good. It doesn't mean "helping him get his way".

I won't repeat what I wrote earlier about this question, but I guess it is an indicator of the decent job he is doing if such a minor---no---such a non-issue can be whipped up into a such a firestorm of hot air.
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09-05-2009, 11:04 PM

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Ok, then just what did Obama need the kids to help him with? You don't phrase a pledge to stay in school as "How can we help Obama?"

And there's nothing delusional or fiery-eyed about it, it's the logical conclusion given who Obama is and what he believes.
It seems to me that you have a completely different view of the event coloured by the absolute worst ulterior motives you can imagine. Then you build upon this hypothetical set of evil motives, putting them forth as uncontrovertable truth. Then, you rip into others' views who are different or hold to a different viewpoint to your own, in what could be seen as a blatant attempt to override others' viewpoints with your own.

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Ok, then just what did Obama need the kids to help him with? You don't phrase a pledge to stay in school as "How can we help Obama?"

And there's nothing delusional or fiery-eyed about it, it's the logical conclusion given who Obama is and what he believes.
You could help the president by: drawing a picture showing daddy losing his job....write a letter saying how my school has a leaky roof and we need to fix it...promising not to throw away cans and bottles and try to recycle more....telling the president you will do your homework every day so you can graduate and go to college...

There are a million answers to that question that are as innocent as the question itself.
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09-05-2009, 11:21 PM

I think our president talking to kids in our nation is a good idea. I don't really understand why people are so opposed to it...
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[quote=MMM;768660]You could help the president by: drawing a picture showing daddy losing his job....write a letter saying how my school has a leaky roof and we need to fix it...promising not to throw away cans and bottles and try to recycle more....telling the president you will do your homework every day so you can graduate and go to college...

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How dose that help obama? Why dose he really need to ask them this?
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How dose that help obama? Why dose he really need to ask them this?
Just wondering, but what do people see is wrong with that question? I personally think it is a rather good one to ask children.
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How dose that help obama? Why dose he really need to ask them this?
It's not a military exercise, it was just part of a suggested assignment for K-6th grade students for them to do after watching the speech. It's already been WAY over-thought.
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It's not a military exercise, it was just part of a suggested assignment for K-6th grade students for them to do after watching the speech. It's already been WAY over-thought.
I just don't see why he is doing it. Its not like he would read 1/50 of the letters.
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