Should the president be able to address school children

[seiki]

Originally Posted by packetpirate

I think the real issue is that parents don't want their children to know how important education is... alright, but don't come crying to us when your little druggy drops out of high school. We'll just say we told you so...

That is by far the stupidest thing i read today. Why would they want their children to be ignorant failures.

[YukisUke]

Originally Posted by seiki

That is by far the stupidest thing i read today. Why would they want their children to be ignorant failures.

That does sound stupid in a way. The failure of the children would be the parents fault.

[solemnclockwork]

Originally Posted by MMM

You have still not explained why the most important and highest official in our nation should NOT address our nation's children as to why they should stay in school.

As I child I was taught that even if we didn't like the policies of our president, we should respect him for the position he has earned. That level of respect has continuously been maintained for decades all up until January 20, 2009.

Suddenly people that respected the office of the president of the United States of America treat it as important as the winner of American Idol. The respect is gone. The trust is gone. And it's not because of 8 years of George W Bush.

Is this what we want to teach our children? That the man who fought hard and earned the majority of votes by the American citizens to become our president is deeply suspect and should be questioned at every turn, even at some innocuous events like telling children to stay in school?

What a sad statement for America if that is really true.

First three paragraphs, is where I get that your calling me a Bad American because I necessarily don't believe the way you do.

Last paragraph is where you try by posing the question that becuase I don't believe the President at this time should be given a speech that is unrelated to a pressing concern, that I want to teach the children a bad thing. In essence you trying to say I don't care for children OR what they are learning.

the last sentence ties it all together.

I'm sorry, but in respect maybe I should have worded it better, but the content REMAINS.

Originally Posted by YukisUke

I just wish America would just stop being so judgemental about the man. Ever since the inaugeration, he's had an invisible camera on him the whole time watching his as well as his family's every move. That's not the way it should be. I just can't take this anymore. And now the people are losing confidence in him. For what? What did he do to have the people lose confidence in him?

Well, he did say he would run one of the most transparent presidencies. I don't believe anyone is watching what his wife, or children are doing. I haven't heard anything about them.

Stimulus, Healthcare, vetting process to name a few.

Originally Posted by jesselt

As MMM pointed out, the two cases are hardly alike.

It's sad how so many people are going to try and censor their children from a simple "Stay in school" speech and feed them lines about how terrible Obama is, when they spent the previous 8 years screaming at people who didn't stand to support the president or wear a little American flag pin.

When you purposely don't let your children see opposing points of views (though you could only possibly be opposed to this speech if you were anti-schools) you are purposely brain washing them.

In respect to parents, THEY do have the right to teach there children what they want, no matter how much you dislike it.

If the shoe fits....
SAME thing happens to both sides it's not new.

Originally Posted by Aniki

Americans never cease to amaze me. The president wants to make a small speech addressing school children and encourage them to study and stay in school and everybody makes a racket out of it. For that they deserve a major facepalm.

Well, if you don't know the reason why they are making a fuss, then how are going to fault them for it?

Originally Posted by MMM

You have all the right-wing buzz words in all the right places. I also like how you did REFUSED in all caps.

When it's over you shake hands and move on. McCain did. Clinton did. Sounds like samurai007 has not.

IS there ANY need for this? Why is it every time someone disagrees with you on a political issue YOU always have to label them?

Originally Posted by Koir

This is a fascinating example of delusional, self-propagating fiery-eyed rhetoric.

Yet, you don't challenge it with a response other then degrading what was posted?

Originally Posted by pumpum

Lmao Lmao Lmao Lmao, i think that without even getting into the debate that is the height of Hypocrisy lol !

btw - its not extreme right wingers, its just the right - its now a main population of the US.

Your hit the nail on the head, so to speak. Both sides are not blameless in this, as they do it to each other.

Originally Posted by MMM

I won't repeat what I wrote earlier about this question, but I guess it is an indicator of the decent job he is doing if such a minor---no---such a non-issue can be whipped up into a such a firestorm of hot air.

Your not the end-all when it comes to things people don't like. If you cannot see issue, DOES not mean someone else will not.

Originally Posted by MMM

I think disrespecting the office of the president to that degree is pretty extreme. And obviously the right wing is not growing but shrinking. Though you could say extreme thinking is growing on the right thanks, in part, to radical radio talk show hosts who now are like pitbulls now that their party is not in the president's seat.

And paranoia is alive and well. Obama (a father of two) cares about children....that is some suspicious behavior all right.

I wonder if we would be saying these things if Hillary Clinton had won and was doing the same thing...or John McCain had won and wanted to encourage students to stay in school...

USA is more conservative then Liberal.
Political Ideology: "Conservative" Label Prevails in the South
Special Report: Ideologically, Where Is the U.S. Moving?

Do you love to label people who disagree with you that way? I would say your disrespect of others is just as bad, as your trying to portray how people treat the President.

How does Obama being a parent have any bearing on OTHER parents children?

I would I know that. Let me also say this, if there wasn't a concern right now such as health care, I wouldn't be having a problem with it.

[seiki]

you guys are more dedicated to being right then i am i guess i would never quote 10 people and argue with them all at once must be magic.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Well, frankly, I'd rather Obama have his tongue cut out...

Still, it's pretty dumb if the President of a country can't even talk to his children... America is very divided... perhaps it's time for another civil war? This time you've got nukes...

If thats your theory on it id rather turn the entire world to ash because it obvious that humanity has FAILED.

but in response to MMM's question. You know as well as i do there are certain elements within the country that loves to breed support through fear and here is another case its ridiculous. Sometimes i feel like going to some of these town halls and addressing them people there. Since when is it a bad thing to have the leader of country give the next generation words of wisdom like "stay in school"

I hate to say this but a lot of this hate mongering rhetoric is coming from a certain generation and i for one am happy they are getting older and will passing on soon.

[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

If thats your theory on it id rather turn the entire world to ash because it obvious that humanity has FAILED.

Well, I don't know about you, but I've been making progress as an individual, regardless I may have left everyone else in the dust...

Originally Posted by Sinestra

but in response to MMM's question. You know as well as i do there are certain elements within the country that loves to breed support through fear and here is another case its ridiculous. Sometimes i feel like going to some of these town halls and addressing them people there. Since when is it a bad thing to have the leader of country give the next generation words of wisdom like "stay in school"

I hate to say this but a lot of this hate mongering rhetoric is coming from a certain generation and i for one am happy they are getting older and will passing on soon.

Yeah. I said the same thing.

[pumpum]

Originally Posted by MMM

I think disrespecting the office of the president to that degree is pretty extreme. And obviously the right wing is not growing but shrinking. Though you could say extreme thinking is growing on the right thanks, in part, to radical radio talk show hosts who now are like pitbulls now that their party is not in the president's seat.

You know what? id like to agree with you but im just not so sure! on one hand it would make sense to say that the right is shrinking, yes maybe because at the end of the day teh country just voted a black democrat for president, however this action may be more complex than just voting for party lines.

BUT !!

Look at the amount of people going mental over obamas helathcare plan ? its not just a few is it? so i dont know if i believe that the right is shrinking, ill tell you one thing though i F****** hope so !

[MMM]

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

First three paragraphs, is where I get that your calling me a Bad American because I necessarily don't believe the way you do.

I never called you a "Bad American" and I don't think you are a "Bad American" so please, stop putting words in my mouth. I would never tell someone they need to believe the way I do, but even you aren't answering my question.

The president has 1000 things to do in a day. This simplistic idea that any minute he is not spending on health care is a complete waste of time is silly. (We are also at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, remember).

And to say spending 10 minutes addressing the nation's youth about staying in school is a waste of time also seems silly to me. (Silly. Not you are a "Bad American. Just silly. If that is too insulting to you, then your skin is too thin.)

I think spending 10 minutes of the president's time to tell the nation's youth to stay in school is not only not a waste of time, but is probably the best use of his time.

[packetpirate]

Originally Posted by seiki

That is by far the stupidest thing i read today. Why would they want their children to be ignorant failures.

Why don't you ask the parents? They're the ones who don't want their kids hearing a speech on why education is important... I never said it'd be Obama's fault if the kids dropped out.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by pumpum

You know what? id like to agree with you but im just not so sure! on one hand it would make sense to say that the right is shrinking, yes maybe because at the end of the day teh country just voted a black democrat for president, however this action may be more complex than just voting for party lines.

BUT !!

Look at the amount of people going mental over obamas helathcare plan ? its not just a few is it? so i dont know if i believe that the right is shrinking, ill tell you one thing though i F****** hope so !

The right wing press loved the recent news that Obama's approval rating was hovering around 50%. The same poll done by the Pew Research Foundation put the Republican Party's approval rating at 21%....probably the lowest in decades (but I don't know that for sure).

Are there a lot of unhappy people? Absolutely. Are they all blaming Obama?....not so fast...