Russia: Champion of WWII

[Ryzorian]

Not really, Britian was firmly involved with Nepolean at the time. If not for that, Britian could have flooded the colonies with 100,000 troops, not the 10 to 20k they did send. The reason It was the Spainish American war was two fold.
1) It was one on one, Spain wasn't involved in some European conflict.
2) We destroyed thier navy, wich at the time was a meassure of a nations real power.

It's why people took note of Japan after 1906, thier navy skunked the Russian navy.

[tksensei]

Doesn't matter what else Britain was up to, it showed the ability of the US to toe the line, and as a result gave birth to a true sense of American nationalism.


It doesn't matter if the champ has a cold or has other things on his mind, if you get in the ring with him and show you can trade with him you've earned your respect.

[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by tksensei

The colonial army engaged the British in the manner common to open field warfare at the time only when circumstances suggested success was a plausible outcome.

So they did do it. That's my point.

[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

The US didn't rape half of Vietnam, that's an outright lie. They may have had problems, but the whole army wasn't pillageing as an orcastrated action through the government like Russia was, or Germany for that matter, cause they did it as well. It's common knowledge that if you want to surrender to someone, your best option is America, cause your least likely to be massacred than if anyone else caught you. Japanese prisoners of war can attest to this.

It was never official policy of Russia or Germany to rape women and children, either; it's just no one gave a f***. If there was less rape done by the US in Vietnam, I'd say it was due to less oppurtunity rather than will.

But there were orders coming from fairly high up in the US military to "clear out villages". But after My Lai, they left that up to the bombers coz it would look worse if they did it by hand.

It was an official strategy of the US to cut off the Vietnamese food supply... by bombing the rice growing villages.

Even in modern day, the recent Iraq war, they used chemical weapons to indiscrimanatley clear out Fallujah.

[tksensei]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

So they did do it. That's my point.

No it doesn't. That is not a 'human wave' approach.

[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by tksensei

No it doesn't. That is not a 'human wave' approach.

I've a feeling you've no idea what I'm talking about...

[burkhartdesu]

WWII Budgets

The U.S. spent $341 billion, including $50 billion for lend-lease supplies -- of which $31 billion went to Britain, $11 billion to the Soviet Union, $5 billion to China, and $3 billion to 35 other countries.

Germany was next, with $272 billion; followed by the Soviet Union, $192 billion; and then Britain, $120 billion; Italy, $94 billion; and Japan, $56 billion. Except for the U.S., however, and some of the less militarily active Allies, the money spent does not come close to reflecting the war’s true cost.

The Soviet government has calculated that the USSR lost 30 percent of its national wealth, while Nazi exactions and looting were of incalculable amounts in the occupied countries. The full cost to Japan has been estimated at $562 billion. In Germany, bombing and shelling had produced 4 billion cu m (5 billion cu yd) of rubble.

[tksensei]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

I've a feeling you've no idea what I'm talking about...

One of us doesn't...

[Ryzorian]

Mai lai was a tradgady no doubt. However, they cleared out villages because the VC would hide amoung the civilians and take potshots at troops. Hideing behind civilians is not the same as hideing behind trees. If you want to blame anyone for the deaths in those villages, blame the VC who utilized that tactic. It would be like American minute men fireing on British regulars from every house and church in town, with woman and children running in batween the combatants, talk about poor form.

It's the same in the middle east, the enemy chooses to fight in schools and hospitals, that's THEIR choice and THIER responsability when the airstrike hits. I won't sympathize with that. The jihadi's picked this fight, and it's being brought to thier doorstep because that's where they retreated too. Nor has the US used chemical weapons, what nonsense.

Germany and Russia traded massacres back and forth almost daily.

[Tenchu]

That's retarded.

You don't blame the criminal who took a little girl as a human shield for her death, you blame the cop that put one between her eyes and actually murdered her.

Lowering yourself to their level still means you're responsible, regardless of if someone else did it first.

At the end of the day, you're just trying to justify murdering the innocent.