Russia: Champion of WWII

[iPhantom]

I asked two history teachers today and they said 'Russia, obviously'. And my country is a US puppet as well.

[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by iPhantom

I asked two history teachers today and they said 'Russia, obviously'. And my country is a US puppet as well.

What did you ask them?

[Ryzorian]

Tenchu; "Moral force" would make sure all the Jews got murdered by Hitler because you wouldn't do anything to stop the Germans due to the probability civilans might get killed. I'm sorry, but that's Chamberlin thinking and I'm not going to think that way.

War is hell, and it has to be made abundantly clear to any who would seek war against the US, that hell will come visit them personally. Makeing war as horrible as possible for the enemy, while Keeping American civilans safe, is the primary goal.

Agent Orange was designed to keep American troops safe, it did what it was supposed to do. Did it have unintended effects? yes it did. I still won't apologize for the US trying to keep it's soldiers safe from ambush.

Right now, American's are safe because sinister men are doing sinister things in the dark. It's an unfriendly world in many places and it takes these types of men to keep free people free.

[Tenchu]

No, that kind of thinking is for cowardly and not noble people.

If you fight with a rifle, you can chose who you shoot. There is no chance you will make a mistake.

When your time to die comes, it comes. This used to be called the Way of the Warrior; Bushido, in Japan. Nowadays, people call it foolishness, because peasants have replaced Warriors as the ones who make the difficult decisions; but peasants always were cowards and fools.

If your rifle can not win the war, maybe you should go home. Or keep fighting if you wish. You will die. That is war; people die. Warriors die. The true Way is found in death.

Nowadays, however, lowlier folk set out the door to do good in this world. They say they want to protect the innocent. They murder thousands of children. They call themselves Hero. They are soaked stained with the blood of the innocent.

If you wanted to stop your enemy because of the sole reason he treats the innocent poorly and harms them, why do you go and do it yourself? It's because you're a fool.

Yes, doing it my way is not the sure road to physical victory. But being liberated within is much more pure a victory than batheing in the blood of the innocent.

Nowadays, people are stupid. They know not what they do.

Of course having the world over-run by evil because you refuse to lower yourself to their level is a miserable thing. But the solution is not found in becoming what you set out to destroy.

The final and greatest challenge of a Warrior is learning to accept defeat; in all its forms.

[tksensei]

Childishly simplistic moralizing by childishly simple people is what cowardly terrorists count on when deciding to hide in hospitals and mosques or behind passing groups of innocents. Reacting exactly the way they want guarantees that they will continue to do it and continue to sacrifice the innocent. Standing around with your hands on your hips and nose in the air, gassing on about a 'warrior's code' while some cowardly little snake hides behind one little child and shoots at ten others is not only idiotic, it is immoral and irresponsible.

[Hatredcopter]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Nowadays, however, lowlier folk set out the door to do good in this world. They say they want to protect the innocent. They murder thousands of children. They call themselves Hero. They are soaked stained with the blood of the innocent.

Yes, doing it my way is not the sure road to physical victory. But being liberated within is much more pure a victory than batheing in the blood of the innocent.

It's quite amazing to me that you can say this stuff while at the same time simply brushing off the mass war crimes committed by the Russians in Germany:

Russia does the same thing and all of a sudden Stalin is the Devil.

The Russian's rape and killing of civilians/POWs is absolutely incomparable in scale to what happened in Vietnam.

Estimates of rape victims from the city's two main hospitals ranged from 95,000 to 130,000. One doctor deduced that out of approximately 100,000 women raped in the city, some 10,000 died as a result, mostly from suicide. The death rate was thought to have been much higher among the 1.4 million estimated victims in East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia. Altogether at least two million German women are thought to have been raped, and a substantial minority, if not a majority, appear to have suffered multiple rape.

You take this, you brush it off and instead bring up American war crimes in Vietnam, and then go on to talk all this nonsense about being Bushido and pure in war.

As so often in war, it was to be defenceless women, girls and even elderly ladies who were to pay in pain and outrage for the crimes of their male compatriots.

Many had abortions or were treated for the syphilis they caught. And as for the so-called Russenbabies - the children born out of rape - many were abandoned.

In his fine new book, World War Two: Behind Closed Doors, the historian Laurence Rees points out that although rape was officially a crime in the Red Army, in fact, Stalin explicitly condoned it as a method of rewarding the soldiers and terrorising German civilians.

Stalin said people should ' understand it if a soldier who has crossed thousands of kilometres through blood and fire and death has fun with a woman or takes some trifle'.

On another occasion, when told that Red Army soldiers sexually maltreated German refugees, he said: 'We lecture our soldiers too much; let them have their initiative.'

Yes, please continue to praise Stalin and bring up Vietnam when you feel the need to change the subject. Am I defending what happened in Vietnam? Hell no. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy.

[iPhantom]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

What did you ask them?

Which country was the main factor of the end of WW2?

Originally Posted by Hatredcopter

Yes, please continue to praise Stalin and bring up Vietnam when you feel the need to change the subject. Am I defending what happened in Vietnam? Hell no. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy.

It was you who brought the rape issue of Russia at first place. He was merely pointing out that the US is not that different.

However you can take your morals about war somewhere else. I don't care how they ended the war, it ended. Enough said.

[TalnSG]

Originally Posted by Hatredcopter

The Russian's rape and killing of civilians/POWs is absolutely incomparable in scale to what happened in Vietnam.
You take this, you brush it off and instead bring up American war crimes in Vietnam, and then go on to talk all this nonsense about being Bushido and pure in war. Am I defending what happened in Vietnam? Hell no. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy.

While I agree with some of this, I think there is something more basic that is wrong here. First of all, regardless of the body count, killing of civilians is deplorable so there is no "this was worse than that".

Secondly, the even more disgusting crime in both of these instances was the the leadership of countries turning a blind eye to the slaughter, tacit support of the perpetrators and when the truth became known worldwide claiming either expedience or ignorance of what was done.

There is no country on this planet that can claim never to have perpetrated such war crimes!

Tenchu, you are in the Phillipines. How can you condem another country when thousands of Filipinos were tortured, slaughtered and driven from their land by Ferdinand Marco, while Imelda "shoe queen" played with her fetish? And that was not even a war. Look to your own history before you condemn others. Lets see you justify the Phillipine death squads that the U.N. is investigating now. Even the Pinoy press reports on it regularly.

[TalnSG]

Originally Posted by iPhantom

It was you who brought the rape issue of Russia at first place. He was merely pointing out that the US is not that different.

Try again. It was not Hatredcopter. I was me and Seiki who first raised that issue in response to the original post - not the later discourse.

[iPhantom]

Originally Posted by TalnSG

Try again. It was not Hatredcopter. I was me and Seiki who first raised that issue in response to the original post - not the later discourse.

You - as the people against Russia.