Russia: Champion of WWII

[Ryzorian]

They may have surrendered before being Invaded proper, yet they did so because they could see the hand writeing on the wall. Japan did what the American general in Bataan did when he surrended 76,000 American troops. Good thing the US didn't institute a "Death March" when Japan surrendered it's nation.

Tenchu; Those people who hide in schools won't stop if you don't bomb that school, they'll just come over and bomb your school after you leave. These guys want everyone to convert to thier crazy version of islam or die. There is no negotiateing with them and I'm not willing to convert or die, wich doesn't leave many options. Lableing someone evil because they are willing to protect thier family by any means available is disingenious.

Also, those "History" teachers that teach history in the US are elitists liberals who hate the US almost as much as other nations do. I have had to discuss things with them several times, they have little idea what the US really stands for and I have little time trying to educate them. Those nukes were justified from our perspective, they saved American lives, wich was our primary goal. We also wanted to demonstrate to Russia that we had "it" and they didn't, wich was a secondary goal.

Also, the south wasn't a "backwater full of uneducated racists" that's more elitist BS. Still, it does proove my point that winners write the history books and looser's become the backwater uneducated racists in those histroy books.
Yes, the South was pretty much ruined like Japan was. Several southern cities were bombed out shells. ( yes, the north shelled cities) Reconstruction was a 30 year nightmare afterward, where the North "re educated" the south.

[tksensei]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

It's evil that thrives on the blind determination of fools to win, not the other way around.

In a state of nature you would have been consumed and pooped out long ago. You are prey, and the likes of you only have the luxury of spouting self-destructive nonsense because society has disrupted natural selection. How fortunate for you that you live under the protection of more practical and reasoned people.

[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by tksensei

In a state of nature you would have been consumed and pooped out long ago. You are prey, and the likes of you only have the luxury of spouting self-destructive nonsense because society has disrupted natural selection. How fortunate for you that you live under the protection of more practical and reasoned people.

I find this interesting.

Sorry to stroke my own ego here, but to prove a point, I could confidently say I'm the biggest and strongest man in Nakhon Si Thammarat (home province); probably the most dangerous unarmed man in southern Thailand.

For you to tell me I'm some sort of natural failure when I could handle myself better than anyone I know or can see, it's clear you're either deluded or just failing at trying to launch your subtle personal attacks you've been doing since you met me.

Anyway, it's nice to know having high moral standrads and putting the lives of others before yourself and your own political and moral views is what you class as a natural failure.

[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Tenchu; Those people who hide in schools won't stop if you don't bomb that school, they'll just come over and bomb your school after you leave.

So, to stop them bombing a school, you're going to bomb a school? That's not logical.

I know you won't change your mind, so I should walk away now.

Keep roasting those kiddies!

[AlexReal]

- «Estimates of rape victims from the city's two main hospitals ranged from 95,000 to 130,000. One doctor deduced that out of approximately 100,000 women raped in the city, some 10,000 died as a result, mostly from suicide. The death rate was thought to have been much higher among the 1.4 million estimated victims in East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia. Altogether at least two million German women are thought to have been raped, and a substantial minority, if not a majority, appear to have suffered multiple rape.»

Absolute falsehood. When Russian were at war, on yours? Or all of them troops forced women. Whence these crazy digits? The Soviet troops were winners. If you study the list of staff of the Soviet troops will find there, politruka, zampolita - these people were responsible for moral shape and political spirit. There were still special departments. All of them were responsible for moral spirit of the Soviet troops. They inspected behaviour of soldiers. The Russian`s soldiers permanently clarified, that they liberators. Violence single instances were, but as soon as about them it became known - guilty were severely punished. Military courts too did not sleep - punishment for such offence was very severe. And for other offences in territory of the released countries.

[letstalk]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

I must admit i have very limited knowledge of the Russian perspective of WWII, i just never got around to studying it.

Can someone post some reliable non biased (if thats even possible) sites for me to read.

You can start with something simple, like wikipedia. They are more or less neutral. Or this site: Welcome to the World War II Multimedia Database

There is also a big special forum about WWII. Of course like in all forums a lot of people post a lot of stuff. Some of the stuff is really useful:
World War II Forums

[letstalk]

Originally Posted by AlexReal

guilty were severely punished. Military courts too did not sleep - punishment for such offence was very severe. And for other offences in territory of the released countries.

That is true. My ex-neighbor took part in the battle for Berlin. He told one soldier was executed without any military trial at all for that kind of misbehavior.

In general, very good thread. I could get a lot of info about some posters` "bright" minds.

[TalnSG]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Also, those "History" teachers that teach history in the US are elitists liberals who hate the US almost as much as other nations do. I have had to discuss things with them several times, they have little idea what the US really stands for and I have little time trying to educate them. Those nukes were justified from our perspective, they saved American lives, wich was our primary goal. We also wanted to demonstrate to Russia that we had "it" and they didn't, wich was a secondary goal.

Also, the south wasn't a "backwater full of uneducated racists" that's more elitist BS. Still, it does proove my point that winners write the history books and looser's become the backwater uneducated racists in those histroy books.
Yes, the South was pretty much ruined like Japan was. Several southern cities were bombed out shells. ( yes, the north shelled cities) Reconstruction was a 30 year nightmare afterward, where the North "re educated" the south.

So you have met all those who teach history in the U.S.? When did we meet and discuss this? Date and time please. I taught history in the 1990's, so cite your evidence. Not all teachers teach with the same perspective or even the same textbooks.

I did not say that the south was a backwater full of uneducated racists. I said only where that is the case is such biased and offensive versions of history presented. And I know of a district in Ohio, as well as in Mississippi where this was the case (and probably still is). I sat through the distortion personally, and was punished in one case for questioning the teacher's personal version of history.

[tksensei]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

I find this interesting.

Sorry to stroke my own ego here, but to prove a point, I could confidently say I'm the biggest and strongest man in Nakhon Si Thammarat (home province); probably the most dangerous unarmed man in southern Thailand.

First of all, LOLOLOL!!!!!


Second, it wouldn't matter if you were 20 feet tall with battle axes for hands and laserbeam eyes if you are as determined as it seems to lay down before bad people. That's fine for you, but it is not fine to demand it of others.

You exist at the pleasure of others and if you are not made someone's lunch it will just be a matter of luck.

Good luck.

[Ryzorian]

TalnSG; My home High school back in 84. Midland High, Wyoming Iowa. William Penn University, Oskaloosa Iowa. 1990. It's unlikely the same teachers are there as then. Still, those were two area's with different teachers at different levels of the educational system informing me how "cruel and vicious" White American's were to everyone, from slaves, Native Americans to all those poor innocent people overseas.

I'm a history major myself, so I'm not unfamiler with all the asorted stories that are around reguarding America and it's foundations. Some are partly true, some are exagerated and some are out right misinformation. Trying to figure what really happened and what they were really about can be difficult at times I understand that. However, they were not evil men out to screw everyone over. Certainly not the Founding Fathers, many of whom died in poverty, after spending everything they had on freedom's cause.

I won't deny that American's have done bad things in the past or acted poorly in certain situations. That doesn't mean it was done malciously or with evil intent every single time. True sometimes it was dispicable, for instance, giveing smallpox laden blankets to the Indians was horrid. Yet sometimes it was just ignorance of the local region, other times it was misplaced atempts at trying to do the right thing. Nobody's perfect, not even America.

Blameing the US for every world problem though, is just silly.


Tenchu; It's your life, I'm not going to tell you how to live it. I even agree it would be nice if the world handled it's problems with that type of grace. However, it doesn't allways work out that way.

Case in point, I met an ex army fella at work a few years ago, who was crippled from the Engagement in Somalia. You know, the "Black Hawk" down thing? He was at the base camp when a woman with a baby came up to the fence, she placed a live gernade in the baby's dyper and threw the baby over the fence. The blast crippled this soldier, and yes, a companion shot the woman, who was obviosuly an enemy combatant. That's the mentality of the enemy they face and that's why so many "civilian's" get shot.