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10-15-2009, 10:45 PM
The Puritans didn't rape native women or steal anybody's land, that is liberal propaganda designed to make people hate their own country. That jibberish they hand out in American history nowadays is full of half truths and out right lies, it's sickening. Puritans lived peacefully with the native people, in fact they survived the first winter with the natives help. Plus, several early colonial governments modled themselves on the Algonquin modle. The abuse started when the British took over colonial matters directly.
In other words, big government showed up and ruined everything, thus the revolution. "Give me liberty or give me death," they didn't say that, just to sound cool. Yes, the colonials had problems, but they weren't freaked out, money grubbing, KKK relgious fanatics, out to kill every Native and enslave all of Africa. Most of the early settlers were trying to start over in a new land, AWAY from that sort of thing. The British Government began establishing thier own claim once money started comeing in, and that's where things started to go to hell. After all, Spain was getting rich off the America's..Britain and France wanted in on some of that "action" too. It wasn't the colonials that were the monsters here, it was the European superpowers that were. 
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10-15-2009, 11:09 PM
The atrocities commited against the Native Americans were carried out by people on both ends of the political spectrum, but they were always justified by fundamentalist Christian dogma. Whether the soldiers raping and executing children where fans of big government or not is beside the issue. The core of the atrocities is the early American's inability to view non-Christian non-white people as being anything but souless subhuman organisms, incapable of comprehending the will of the white man's wretched pathetic excuse for a god.
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10-16-2009, 12:09 AM
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The raping, killing, and pillaging you mention didn't occur on any real scale until it became a government policy. This wasn't so much a Colonial British policy, you may or may not know that during the French and Indian Wars, the English settlers and Indians were allied against the French, living and fighting together. Life between the Indians and Early-Americans was also mostly peaceful. George Washington himself signed treaties and legislation giving government recognition to the Indians claims on their home and hunting lands. It wasn't until the 19th century that the Indians became seriously oppressed. This oppression was government sponsored, and had nothing to do with any kind of religion. The treaties signed be George Washington were reneged on by acts of Congress, and Native-Americans were forced to leave their homes and settle on reservations (where I happened to spend much of my time growing up).
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10-16-2009, 01:08 AM
Again you are mis informed. The Puritans came to America in the 1600's, Washington's time was in the mid to late 1700's...100 years later, well after Britain had established dominance over the colonies. The so called atrocities were predominantly done by British colony types after 1715, and even then they weren't as prominant as much later, the French and Indian war was in the 1740's and both sides had multiple indian tribes fighting for them. Much of the so called tyranical abuse of Natives, in the 1600's ( When the Puritans where migrateing to the US) was from the Spanish and that was south of the border. American abuse of native tribes started up in the late 1700's and early 1800's, particularly with the Trail of Tears by the Florida Seminols and the subugation of eastern tribes that ended in the 1880's with the subugation of the plains indians/western tribes and the slaughter at Wounded Knee.
Don't believe those current historical accounts you read in modern schools, it's mostly bogus anti American tripe.
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10-16-2009, 01:27 AM
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"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me... Anything can happen, child. Anything can be."
-Shel Silverstein  "Who told me dragons did not exist, then led me to their lairs ...one flew east, one flew west, One flew over the cuckoo's nest."
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10-16-2009, 01:30 AM
Oh, and don't even get me started on Columbus and the conquistadors....
"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me... Anything can happen, child. Anything can be."
-Shel Silverstein "Who told me dragons did not exist, then led me to their lairs ...one flew east, one flew west, One flew over the cuckoo's nest."
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10-16-2009, 01:39 AM
All excellent points made about Washington. It's ridiculous historical figures like him get a pass when it comes to atrocities like slave ownership.
Yeah I'm a guy   Although I'm 22 and your profile says your 85 so there may be issue there..but who knows love knows no boundaries I always say 
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10-16-2009, 01:45 AM
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"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me... Anything can happen, child. Anything can be."
-Shel Silverstein "Who told me dragons did not exist, then led me to their lairs ...one flew east, one flew west, One flew over the cuckoo's nest."
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