Pres. Obama and Nobel Peace Prize

[JayT]

Originally Posted by MMM

No one has put up any "proof" why the president shouldn't get the prize, or how he isn't helping the international community (which is what the prize is about).

And I know exactly what the naysayers think, too. I wish it were more based in reality than just pure hatred, like so many of the right-wing talk show hosts.

I wouldn't call it pure hatred. There are a lot of naysayers that supported Obama in the beginning only to start disliking him after the decisions he has come to make. It seems as the main reason why some are so defensive of Obama in particular is because of his ethnicity. As if everyone that doesn't agree with Obama or his followers is a in-the-closet racist.

[trunker]

its just funny cos this says more about the Nobel committee than it does about whoever wins the award.

I'm not sure how to look at it right now, cos its either a "yes we are a bunch of starry eyed fans and we believe that he is the messiah" type deal,...

or its a " well done lil' america for finally waking up and being so stupid the past eight years, here's a little treat".

i cant believe that the committee is naive enough to think that this will help him, being a nobel peace prize winner.

i think whichever side of the fence you are on on Obama's achievements thus far, it would be interesting to see if this thing jinx's him or not.

[JayAyeAre]

Bush gave plenty of tax cuts, especially to the middle class; Obama - 0, and has not even thought about giving one. Yet he's on the television every day.

MMM if you got a job in America you would see the increase in federal taxes that has happen these past few months in your paycheck.

I have been affected by Obamas tax increase; They take a penny here and there every single month and after awhile it builds up.

I rather much be receiving the check I use to earn a year or two ago.
Obama has not even been in office that long and taxes have already increased. I'm scared of how high the taxes will go in the future knowing Obamas socialist and liberal leanings.

[darksyndrem]

Originally Posted by MMM

No one has put up any "proof" why the president shouldn't get the prize, or how he isn't helping the international community (which is what the prize is about).

And I know exactly what the naysayers think, too. I wish it were more based in reality than just pure hatred, like so many of the right-wing talk show hosts.

No one has put up any "proof" of anything. It might have something to do with the fact that there's nothing to prove. Whether he deserved the prize or not is a matter of opinion, and it was the judge's (correct me if I'm wrong) opinion that said he deserved it.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by JayT

I wouldn't call it pure hatred. There are a lot of naysayers that supported Obama in the beginning only to start disliking him after the decisions he has come to make. It seems as the main reason why some are so defensive of Obama in particular is because of his ethnicity. As if everyone that doesn't agree with Obama or his followers is a in-the-closet racist.

For some it is pure hatred. I can't see how, for some, it can be described any other way. Believe it or not i have not been happy with all the decisions he has made, either. I don't think most supporters are defensive of him because of his ethnicity, but surely there are some, and I don't think most of his nay-sayers are racist, but surely there are some.

Originally Posted by trunker

its just funny cos this says more about the Nobel committee than it does about whoever wins the award.

I'm not sure how to look at it right now, cos its either a "yes we are a bunch of starry eyed fans and we believe that he is the messiah" type deal,...

or its a " well done lil' america for finally waking up and being so stupid the past eight years, here's a little treat".

i cant believe that the committee is naive enough to think that this will help him, being a nobel peace prize winner.

i think whichever side of the fence you are on on Obama's achievements thus far, it would be interesting to see if this thing jinx's him or not.

The award certainly wasn't expected, by anyone, I bet. I was surprised, for sure. I am not saying no one deserves the prize more than him, but I do think a lot of positive can come from it, and who know? Maybe it was a message to Pres. Obama to light a fire to inspire him to keep going in the right direction for the world. Will this affect decisions in Afghanistan? I doubt it, but it may affect how people react, so again, who knows?

Originally Posted by JayAyeAre

Bush gave plenty of tax cuts, especially to the middle class; Obama - 0, and has not even thought about giving one. Yet he's on the television every day.

MMM if you got a job in America you would see the increase in federal taxes that has happen these past few months in your paycheck.

I have been affected by Obamas tax increase; They take a penny here and there every single month and after awhile it builds up.

I rather much be receiving the check I use to earn a year or two ago.
Obama has not even been in office that long and taxes have already increased. I'm scared of how high the taxes will go in the future knowing Obamas socialist and liberal leanings.

I have been paying taxes in the US for a long time, and any tax cuts for the middle class that Bush signed didn't make it to my employer's memo box.

Of course if I had been making over 250,000 a year I probably would have noticed a positive difference.

Originally Posted by darksyndrem

No one has put up any "proof" of anything. It might have something to do with the fact that there's nothing to prove. Whether he deserved the prize or not is a matter of opinion, and it was the judge's (correct me if I'm wrong) opinion that said he deserved it.

Smartest post you ever made, Dark.

[Sangetsu]

Originally Posted by MMM

Who?

Name the nominees that were "snubbed".

205 people were nominated for this year's prize. Congress nominated Greg Mortenson, who at his own time, expense, and personal danger, has built 130 schools for girls in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

This prize is not as illustrious as many might believe. Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin were also nominees.

[samurai007]

Originally Posted by MMM

Who?

Name the nominees that were "snubbed".

If, as was said before, there were 205 nominees in all, I can pretty confidently say there were 204 more deserving possible recipients that were snubbed.

[samurai007]

Originally Posted by Sangetsu

205 people were nominated for this year's prize. Congress nominated Greg Mortenson, who at his own time, expense, and personal danger, has built 130 schools for girls in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

This prize is not as illustrious as many might believe. Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin were also nominees.

True, the prize itself has been utterly worthless since Carter, Arafat, and Gore won it. But the $1.4 million that goes with it could have helped a lot more people if it had gone to someone truly worthy, that would use it to help people. And that's a shame.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by samurai007

If, as was said before, there were 205 nominees in all, I can pretty confidently say there were 204 more deserving possible recipients that were snubbed.

Unless you know the names of all the individuals and organizations nominated, I doubt you really think this statement is true.

Originally Posted by samurai007

True, the prize itself has been utterly worthless since Carter, Arafat, and Gore won it. But the $1.4 million that goes with it could have helped a lot more people if it had gone to someone truly worthy, that would use it to help people. And that's a shame.

Just because you don't respect the award winners doesn't mean the prize is "totally worthless".

[darksyndrem]

Originally Posted by MMM

Unless you know the names of all the individuals and organizations nominated, I doubt you really think this statement is true.



Just because you don't respect the award winners doesn't mean the prize is "totally worthless".

MMM, I have to agree with you about the other nominees, but I'm surprised that you are still arguing if you agreed with my earlier post. I would be saying the same to the others, but I'm pretty sure people here just want to argue.