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10-10-2009, 04:46 AM

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Sangetsu, your opinion is your right, for sure, but what do you mean by he has "3 years left in his term (if he's unlucky)".
Because if he were to be reelected it would be 7 more years.
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Nonsense. There was no genuine "peer review".

Section 8.4.2.1 of the 1996 IPCC report (upon which some of the facts for Gore's movie were based).

new: "Implicit in these global mean results is a weak attribution statement--if the observed global mean changes over the last 20 to 50 years cannot be fully explained by natural climate variability, some (unknown) fraction of the changes must be due to human influences".

deleted: "None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed changes to the specific cause of increases in greenhouse gases."

Section 8.4.2.3.

new: "To date, pattern-based studies have not been able to quantify the magnitude of a greenhouse gas or aerosol effect on climate. Our current inability to estimate reliably the fraction of the observed temperature changes that are due to human effects does not mean that this fraction is negligible. The very fact that pattern-based studies have been able to discern sub-global-scale features of a combined CO2 + aerosol signal relative to the ambient noise of natural internal variability implies that there may be a non-negligible human effect on global climate."


The "peer reviewed" IPCC report contained the deleted paragraph on the bottom. The "new" paragraphs were added to the report without the knowledge of the reviewing scientists in order to make the report conform to the standards mandated by "policy makers", which was to suggest that Co2 and man were the causes of global warming, even though the reviewing scientists said that this might not be the case.

Changes to Chapter 8

Gore got a Nobel Prize for lying.
Nothing that I wrote was "nonsense" and sweeping statements like that do not lead to conversation (despite that isn't the topic of this thread anyway).

However, if you would like to send links corroborating your statements, I would be happy to read them.

The IPCC shared the Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore in 1997.
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10-10-2009, 05:22 AM

i heard a good joke on jimmy fallon earlier.

"President Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize this morning (applause)...hopefully he can catch up on that after these 2 wars were in."

Well the Nobel Peace Prize was going to be devalued eventually anyways..
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i heard a good joke on jimmy fallon earlier.

"President Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize this morning (applause)...hopefully he can catch up on that after these 2 wars were in."

Well the Nobel Peace Prize was going to be devalued eventually anyways..
Jimmy Fallon, the beacon of political insight.

According to some it was devalued when Gore won it. Others say when Jimmy Carter won it. Others say when Martin Luther King Jr. won it.

Time will tell...
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10-10-2009, 06:04 AM

I'd say Carter.

I understand Gore; atleast he was trying to prevent Global Warming (while flying jets everyday) and making people aware of it. They call it "Climate Change" now though since you know..the world isnt "warming" anymore. But I still give it to him; he made an effort while making millions in the process.

And MLK..psh you should'nt even put him on the same list as Obama, Carter, and Gore. It's degrading towards him and shows what the Nobel Peace Prize use to actually represent.

Not recieving it just cause your name is Obama.
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I'd say Carter.

I understand Gore; atleast he was trying to prevent Global Warming (while flying jets everyday) and making people aware of it. They call it "Climate Change" now though since you know..the world isnt "warming" anymore. But I still give it to him; he made an effort while making millions in the process.

And MLK..psh you should'nt even put him on the same list as Obama, Carter, and Gore. It's degrading towards him and shows what the Nobel Peace Prize use to actually represent.

Not recieving it just cause your name is Obama.
Read my post. I didn't put his name on the list.
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Nothing that I wrote was "nonsense" and sweeping statements like that do not lead to conversation (despite that isn't the topic of this thread anyway).

However, if you would like to send links corroborating your statements, I would be happy to read them.

The IPCC shared the Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore in 1997.

The link "Changes to Chapter 8" itemizes the changes to the 1996 IPCC report which changed the gist to indicate that global warming was man-made. The original "peer reviewed" report said no such thing. It was the edited report which won Al Gore and the IPCC the Nobel Peace Prize in 1997.

Subsequent reports have actually backpedaled slightly from the claims made in the 1993 and 1996 reports, but are still authored according to the wishes of policy makers (who write the checks for grants and other research).

What this has to do with Obama is the simple fact that Peace Prize winners are chosen primarily for their politics, which the Nobel committee seems to think is more important than doing genuine good.
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The link "Changes to Chapter 8" itemizes the changes to the 1996 IPCC report which changed the gist to indicate that global warming was man-made. The original "peer reviewed" report said no such thing. It was the edited report which won Al Gore and the IPCC the Nobel Peace Prize in 1997.

Subsequent reports have actually backpedaled slightly from the claims made in the 1993 and 1996 reports, but are still authored according to the wishes of policy makers (who write the checks for grants and other research).

What this has to do with Obama is the simple fact that Peace Prize winners are chosen primarily for their politics, which the Nobel committee seems to think is more important than doing genuine good.
So IPCC reports changing from 1993 and 1996 to 2007 has something to do with Pres. Obama's selection? I don't get the connection, but it doesn't really matter.

Nobel Peace Prize winners are chosen based on their politics?

Shocking.
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So IPCC reports changing from 1993 and 1996 to 2007 has something to do with Pres. Obama's selection? I don't get the connection, but it doesn't really matter.

Nobel Peace Prize winners are chosen based on their politics?

Shocking.
It should be shocking.

Politics results in war as often as it results in peace. The award should go to those who have actually done something to make the world a more peaceful place, not those who merely say it should be.

What happened to Mother Theresa when she won and was invited to the award ceremony? She said "thanks, but no thanks". She wanted the money that would have been spent on the ceremony to be given to the poor, just as every penny of her prize was spent.

None of our politicians (and I'll include Obama) have 1/10th the courage that mother Theresa had, and less than 1/100th the integrity. Mother Theresa exemplifies the type of person deserving of such an award. There are many like Mother Theresa around the world, but since words now speak louder than actions, and these people don't often speak, we seldom hear about them.

As for the link between the IPCC, Al Gore, and Obama, the only link is that they all won Nobel prizes for doing nothing.
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As for the link between the IPCC, Al Gore, and Obama, the only link is that they all won Nobel prizes for doing nothing.
Again, sweeping statements... and I have to this state at this point that if you want to follow the popular right-ring talking points that the IPPC, Al Gore and President Obama "have done nothing" then that is fine. It is easy to see nothing if you don't want to see anything. Then it is easy to say that the Nobel Peace Prize Committee is meaningless and makes poor choices for its internationally prestigious award.

Read my first post on this thread. It was easy to predict how it would go down.

Like I said, the honorable thing is to say "Congrats" and be happy our American president received this recognition, but that is not the state of the country today. Every turn is worthy of criticism and disdain, right? He fought to get the Olympics...he's an a-hole. He didn't get the Olympics...he's an a-hole. He got the Nobel Peace Prize...he's an a-hole...I am done.
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