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Again, sweeping statements... and I have to this state at this point that if you want to follow the popular right-ring talking points that the IPPC, Al Gore and President Obama "have done nothing" then that is fine. It is easy to see nothing if you don't want to see anything. Then it is easy to say that the Nobel Peace Prize Committee is meaningless and makes poor choices for its internationally prestigious award.

Read my first post on this thread. It was easy to predict how it would go down.

Like I said, the honorable thing is to say "Congrats" and be happy our American president received this recognition, but that is not the state of the country today. Every turn is worthy of criticism and disdain, right? He fought to get the Olympics...he's an a-hole. He didn't get the Olympics...he's an a-hole. He got the Nobel Peace Prize...he's an a-hole...I am done.
Well, you are right about 1 thing... he's an A-hole 3 times over.

Even Obama himself realizes that he doesn't deserve the award, and that it is only being given for empty promises and rhetoric, and the promise of "hope and change".


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Well, you are right about 1 thing... he's an A-hole 3 times over.
There's nothing to talk about then.
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10-10-2009, 03:33 PM

I say no matter who Obama is, he's still the President of the United Sates. He's my president. I may not agree with him on anything, but that doesn't change the fact that I should respect our president.
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I say no matter who Obama is, he's still the President of the United Sates. He's my president. I may not agree with him on anything, but that doesn't change the fact that I should respect our president.
I used to believe that too. But the the way Clinton disgraced the office, followed by rabid Bush hatred, with calls for his assassination, comparing him to Hitler, and calling him every name in the book for 8 years made me realize that I was too old-fashioned, that most people had absolutely no qualms about attacking the President if they didn't like him. I saw a lot of it first hand, since I was living in the San Francisco bay area for much of Bush's presidency. There were protests almost daily, and signs and placards that were so hateful many news stations couldn't even air them if they wanted to (and the left-wing SF media certainly didn't want to). They blocked streets for hours several times a week with their protests.

No where did I see Leftists saying "while we may not agree with all of Bush's policies, we should respect that he is the President and tone down the rhetoric." And when the Right said it, they were laughed at and called Nazis and brain-dead ditto-heads. Well, the shoe is on the other foot now, and after 8 years of the most hateful attacks against a President I've ever seen in my life, calls for civility and respect for the office ring utterly hollow and disingenuous... no offense to you or anyone in particular, just a general observation.


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I used to believe that too. But the the way Clinton disgraced the office, followed by rabid Bush hatred, with calls for his assassination, comparing him to Hitler, and calling him every name in the book for 8 years made me realize that I was too old-fashioned, that most people had absolutely no qualms about attacking the President if they didn't like him. I saw a lot of it first hand, since I was living in the San Francisco bay area for much of Bush's presidency. There were protests almost daily, and signs and placards that were so hateful many news stations couldn't even air them if they wanted to (and the left-wing SF media certainly didn't want to). They blocked streets for hours several times a week with their protests.

No where did I see Leftists saying "while we may not agree with all of Bush's policies, we should respect that he is the President and tone down the rhetoric." And when the Right said it, they were laughed at and called Nazis and brain-dead ditto-heads. Well, the shoe is on the other foot now, and after 8 years of the most hateful attacks against a President I've ever seen in my life, calls for civility and respect for the office ring utterly hollow and disingenuous... no offense to you or anyone in particular, just a general observation.
People disrespecting, does not make it the right thing to do nor does it make respect the wrong thing.

I feel like liberals and conservatives are just two little kids bickering over who gets to sit in the front seat, when you're only going to the end of the driveway.
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10-10-2009, 05:50 PM

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I feel that it is a disgrace to the people who were given the Nobel and truly deserved it. It makes them look bad. Obama hasn't done anything worthy of the awar, other than being the first black president. If you take that away, his acheivments are pitiful and nonexistent.
I hate it when people comment and it's obvious they didn't even read the article it's associated with, and therefore do not have the knowledge of what it's all about. He didn't get this because he was the first black president. As a person of African-American origins statements like this tick me off. Why is it that whenever something good happens for this man it has to carry back to him being black? Why can't it just be because he's a person in general? To quote parts of one of the many articles on this stating why the award was given to him:

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Obama: Nobel Peace Prize is 'call to action'

The committee said it honored Obama for his "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples."

The Nobel committee recognized Obama's efforts at dialogue to solve complex global problems, including working toward a world free of nuclear weapons.

"Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," the committee said.

Jagland said the decision was "unanimous" and came with ease.

"His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population," the committee said of Obama.

Obama said he did not feel he deserved "to be in the company" of past Peace Prize winners, but would accept the prize while pushing for a broad range of international objectives, including nuclear nonproliferation, a reversal of the global economic downturn and a resolution of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

He also acknowledged the ongoing U.S. conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, noting that he is the "commander in chief of a country that is responsible for ending a war and working in another theater to confront a ruthless adversary that directly threatens the American people" and U.S. allies.

"This award is not simply about my administration," he said. It "must be shared" with everyone who strives for "justice and dignity."

It was given to him because of the HOPE he has given people. The fact that he's one of the few country leaders, whether you believe his motives or not, that is actually trying to do something and give a <expletive> here. Yet people are too busy trying to discredit him. You say he hasn't been in office long, and he hasn't had time to do anything, yet those same people complain about that same fact. Oh, he hasn't done anything yet. Hmm, really? Well, you're complaining about it, yet you JUST said he hasn't had time, right? Not to mention the politicians who reject him simply because they are against his existence, and not what he's trying to achieve? Laughable. Pathetic. Highly immature.

90%(this is my rough number based off no official data, lol) of the hicks and hillbillies standing outside the White House protesting don't even know why they're out there. They're just protesting. When questioned about the history they say Obama is violating, they don't even know it. I'll have to make it a point to find that video of interviews to post on here for people to see. It makes me shake my head when I see people who don't have a pot to pee in or a window to throw it out of go against the idea of healthcare for those who don't have it. "It's gonna raise our taxes!!! WAAA!!!" Go look at Sweden and Norway. It's the system they have in place for healthcare when it comes to the taxing thing. It's funny how they're happy knowing their loved ones won't have to die for something silly, or go bankrupt from a freak accident and hospital bills.

I'm so sick and tired of seeing people who live in this country constantly dump on this man. Please don't be so ignorant. He fails, we all fail. I don't really have much of an opinion about those who aren't citizens..people on the outside can say what they want as their view is even more different. Is it really that hard to just say "Congratulations," and keep it moving?

Anyways, I got really upset and went on a tangent. I apologize if I insulted anyone as that was not my intention. However, if you read any of that and saw yourself in it, maybe you should revise your way of thinking.


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I say no matter who Obama is, he's still the President of the United Sates. He's my president. I may not agree with him on anything, but that doesn't change the fact that I should respect our president.
I agree with this wholeheartedly, as I don't agree with some of the stuff Obama wants either. I didn't agree with some of what Bush did in his second term, but I still had respect for him because he was my President. Cheney on the other hand...never mind. =P The way some people are acting towards Obama makes me shake my head. The way some people were towards Bush, made me shake it too, although, seems he didn't get all the real criticism until after the war issue. I don't recall people being on his case time he set foot in the White House like Obama.
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I agree with this wholeheartedly, as I don't agree with some of the stuff Obama wants either. I didn't agree with some of what Bush did in his second term, but I still had respect for him because he was my President. Cheney on the other hand...never mind. =P The way some people are acting towards Obama makes me shake my head. The way some people were towards Bush, made me shake it too, although, seems he didn't get all the real criticism until after the war issue. I don't recall people being on his case time he set foot in the White House like Obama.
This sums up how I feel in the best way possible. I may not always agree, but I still respect the work they put in.


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I agree with this wholeheartedly, as I don't agree with some of the stuff Obama wants either. I didn't agree with some of what Bush did in his second term, but I still had respect for him because he was my President. Cheney on the other hand...never mind. =P The way some people are acting towards Obama makes me shake my head. The way some people were towards Bush, made me shake it too, although, seems he didn't get all the real criticism until after the war issue. I don't recall people being on his case time he set foot in the White House like Obama.
You don't remember the 2000 election, and all the cries of "Bush stole it", etc? It was contentious from before Bush even took office. And it only got worse after 9/11, and the stupid claims that Bush and Cheney were either behind 9/11 (probably pushed the plunger together to set off the dynamite rigged all over the towers ) or allowed it to happen just so they could kill a bunch of Muslims. Personally, I think the criticism of Obama so far has been very mild and restrained compared to what was said about Bush.


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10-10-2009, 06:29 PM

Well, how he won was "odd", wasn't it? The whole Florida thing, so it came across that way and I remember more jokes about it than people being disdainful about it, although, granted, I was barely 18 when it happened. Either way, I'm better than those who act stupid over such things, as arrogant as that may sound of me. He's my President...I lived with it. In my mind, two wrongs don't make a right. I refuse to act stupid because the person I didn't vote for got into office like some people are doing. All Presidents do what he feels is best for the country. It might be wrong it might be right. We'll just have to sit back and see.
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