Pres. Obama and Nobel Peace Prize

[MMM]

Originally Posted by samurai007

I used to believe that too. But the the way Clinton disgraced the office, followed by rabid Bush hatred, with calls for his assassination, comparing him to Hitler, and calling him every name in the book for 8 years made me realize that I was too old-fashioned, that most people had absolutely no qualms about attacking the President if they didn't like him. I saw a lot of it first hand, since I was living in the San Francisco bay area for much of Bush's presidency. There were protests almost daily, and signs and placards that were so hateful many news stations couldn't even air them if they wanted to (and the left-wing SF media certainly didn't want to). They blocked streets for hours several times a week with their protests.

No where did I see Leftists saying "while we may not agree with all of Bush's policies, we should respect that he is the President and tone down the rhetoric." And when the Right said it, they were laughed at and called Nazis and brain-dead ditto-heads. Well, the shoe is on the other foot now, and after 8 years of the most hateful attacks against a President I've ever seen in my life, calls for civility and respect for the office ring utterly hollow and disingenuous... no offense to you or anyone in particular, just a general observation.

So basically you are using this as your opportunity to be as small and extreme as the extreme leftists of San Francisco during the Bush administration. It all makes sense now. Job well done.

[clintjm]

Originally Posted by MMM

I would like to hear about the new policies that Obama single-handedly enacted that takes more money from your paycheck.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national healthcare. Do you want to stop paying for police and fire, too? How about interstate highways? All socialist acts that force people to pay.

Hmmmm... boy does this last paragraph sound familiar. Who brought up wanting to stop police and fire? By the way police and fire are state funded, not federal. So if you are talking about state funded healthcare....

So with this statement because we have some aspects of the nation handled by the federal government, health care should be too?

No new policies or taxes yet... but they are coming...This spending we have seen isn't money grown on trees.
The country's economic system is in shambles right now.... stop spending and fix what we have got.

Love the headlines of Friday... "After Winning Peace Prize, Obama returns to War Discussions".

Aside from the headlines, Obama has good intentions, but I think for them to decide to give them the prize for 7 months of good intentions deminishes past and future prize winners.
But this isn't the first time the Peace Prize has had questionable reasons.
Ihe Peace prize isn't that big of a deal any more anyway...

Definitely doesn't hurt anything giving him the prize (other than the Peace Prize's rep)... unless it sways Obama to not send in the troops that have been requested. Thus far, this has sickened me.

[samurai007]

Originally Posted by MMM

So basically you are using this as your opportunity to be as small and extreme as the extreme leftists of San Francisco during the Bush administration. It all makes sense now. Job well done.

Oh no, I'm not even 1/10th their level, and I have no intention of reaching their level. You don't see me screaming F*** Obama and calling for his assassination like they did to Bush. But I'm going to be open and forthright in my feelings about him and his policies, not say "well, he's the President, so I can't really say anything against him out of respect to the office..." Didn't the left cheer when Hillary said "I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration."? Well, now it's our turn to debate and disagree with the administration...

[clintjm]

Originally Posted by MMM

President Bush's administration and the Repulican congress passed the "first stimulus plan" not President Obama. You have not yet been affected by Obama's tax changes, so just know thy enemy.

And many Americans leave America to get medical procedures, too. People often come to America because they cannot be denied care by law. I know lots of Japanese that go to Japan for all medical procedures because 1) it is cheaper to buy a plane ticket and use Japan's national health care coverage rather than American's insurance that is paid to deny coverage, so it works both ways.

But I think I am getting a little off topic...

Yes it is. Because I can go back to the past threads on healthcare where you are pasting past arguments.

And again I'll ask the question that wasn't replied to in the case of these people flying to Japan.. Did these people have an American Healthcare policy with low deductible? Did they have Japanese private insurance, not just the standard government coverage? And why would Japanese living in America (most likely temporarily) change plans if they were going back eventually to live in Japan. Your example isn't making much sense without details.

Medicare has the biggest % of denying coverage out of all big private insurance compaines...

[JayAyeAre]

Yeah you put "Martin Luther King Jr", MMM.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by clintjm

So with this statement because we have some aspects of the nation handled by the federal government, health care should be too?

I didn't say it should, I said it can be. the VA, Medicare, Medicaid...all government programs.

I think many people are against it just because Obama is president. If his administration had declared to abolish national health care the same people would be against it, too.

Originally Posted by samurai007

Oh no, I'm not even 1/10th their level, and I have no intention of reaching their level. You don't see me screaming F*** Obama and calling for his assassination like they did to Bush. But I'm going to be open and forthright in my feelings about him and his policies, not say "well, he's the President, so I can't really say anything against him out of respect to the office..." Didn't the left cheer when Hillary said "I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration."? Well, now it's our turn to debate and disagree with the administration...

Debating and disagreeing are fine, no one would deny that. But even in this thread alone you have said he is an "a-hole three times over", and should have been 205 on the list of 205 nominees without even knowing who the other nominees are. That isn't debate or disagreeing, that's just blind disdain.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by JayAyeAre

Yeah you put "Martin Luther King Jr", MMM.

I guess it wasn't clear. There were people that put up protest when Martin Luther King Jr. won, as well.

Originally Posted by clintjm

And again I'll ask the question that wasn't replied to in the case of these people flying to Japan.. Did these people have an American Healthcare policy with low deductible? Did they have Japanese private insurance, not just the standard government coverage? And why would Japanese living in America (most likely temporarily) change plans if they were going back eventually to live in Japan. Your example isn't making much sense without details.

Medicare has the biggest % of denying coverage out of all big private insurance compaines...

Yes they had American health insurance. I do not know about the deductables, but in two of the cases I know it was women who were having trouble getting pregnant. Their insurance company (same company for both...same employer) said that "reproduction is a personal choice and not a medical situation" despite the fact their doctors recommended the procedure whether or not they intended to get pregnant or not. The price tag in the US: $15,000+ out of pocket (insurance pays nothing) The price tag in Japan: about $500.

I understand it is also common for people to go to Canada and Mexico for procedures and medicine because it is less expensive, but I can't say how good the treatment is.

Medicare also has a lower overhead in administrative expenses compared to private insurance companies. This means they don't pay their executives millions of dollars and medicare is not a for-profit system.

[samurai007]

Originally Posted by MMM

I didn't say it should, I said it can be. the VA, Medicare, Medicaid...all government programs.

I think many people are against it just because Obama is president. If his administration had declared to abolish national health care the same people would be against it, too.



Debating and disagreeing are fine, no one would deny that. But even in this thread alone you have said he is an "a-hole three times over", and should have been 205 on the list of 205 nominees without even knowing who the other nominees are. That isn't debate or disagreeing, that's just blind disdain.

There was a smiley face after the first one, and I was quoting you saying "He's an A-hole" 3 times. It was a joke.

And unless there were other pointlessly political nominees that had done absolutely nothing at all for world peace among the other 204 nominees, he really should have finished 205th. If all the others are like the few named ones we know about, who did things to really help people, I don't see how anyone can really disagree with that. This was a purely, 100% political choice, without an ounce of credible achievement or merit behind it. Period. That isn't knee-jerk hatred, it's a fact. Tell me how can anyone reasonably claim Obama is more deserving than someone who built schools for poor kids in Afghanistan, or a Chinese dissident, or the Prime Minister of Zimbabwe who has been the principle opponent to Robert Mugabe, or a women's rights advocate in Afghanistan and the Sudan, or a group that runs orphanages in 132 different countries and tries to help children get adopted? Can you REALLY say that Obama is more deserving than all of these, or any of them? I can't. Of the dozen or so nominees I know of (they won't release the full list for 50 years, for some reason), every one was far more deserving than Obama, and I'm pretty confident the rest (or the vast majority of the rest) were too.

[Corvin]

Petition against the absurd decision to award B. Obama Nobel Peace Prize
Look at No. 996. If not, look around 996 and look at Lewandowski. It's my comment about Obama's Nobel Prize.

Show this site to your friends, cuz i'm searching and searching but i'm finding Poland and US mostly. Show to the world, but we are everywhere.

[samurai007]

Originally Posted by Corvin

Petition against the absurd decision to award B. Obama Nobel Peace Prize
Look at No. 996. If not, look around 996 and look at Lewandowski. It's my comment about Obama's Nobel Prize.

Show this site to your friends, cuz i'm searching and searching but i'm finding Poland and US mostly. Show to the world, but we are everywhere.

I'm number 1010. Thanks for the link.