Father's Taking Daughters on dates

[burkhartdesu]

Originally Posted by Nyororin

Date is a term used for going out somewhere with the opposite gender, only the two of you. It doesn`t have to have any underlying meaning. Also, the father-daughter date isn`t just a Japan thing. Pretty much all my female friends in the US had "dates" with their dads. Now that I think about it, mother-son dates weren`t all that uncommon either.

I see it as both a bonding experience for the two of them, as I`m willing to bet that dad doesn`t have a chance to spend too much time with his daughter... And as a learning experience for the daughter, so she can see what it`s like to go out to a nice restaurant, etc.

As a child I had several "dates" with uncles and with my grandfather, but nothing EVER was anything above "let`s eat a nice meal, and get to know eachother!" - male relatives are pushed so far away sometimes that it`s hard to get to know them.

I lived with my aunt and uncle for a couple years when I was younger and my uncle would frequently take his daughters (and me) on dates to the movies, the arcade, etc. -- once a month one of us would get to go out and have a "date" with just him.

Since he spent so much time at work, it was hard to bond otherwise.

Even though I'm male, I would still consider it a "date". Afterall, the word date is just specifying a meeting that's arranged in advance.

[smbx33]

Originally Posted by IamKira

incest isn't a sick idea at all.. we've been doing it for ages and ages... the only reasons why i wouldn't support it is because offspring tend to get disfigured due to genomes coming from too close of a genetic line.. which is also why we can't keep breeds of dogs going forever.. genetic material must be mixed up from time to time to evade certain gene mutations and to help develop a more suitable species capable of dealing w/ changes in their surroundings... but we've been making love to our siblings and parents and cousins for a long time.. as do all the animals of any species out there.. usually if confined in an environment where more suitable partners are hard to come by
but the idea is ancient and the practice, still prevalent

Please name ONE place where incest is accepted.....because murder is a something that has been done for ages...and still being done today but believe me it still equally wrong and never accepted in society.
Now think about why it isn't accepted, not only because it is sick to want to reproduce people with defects, its against our "natural" instincts which we are born with. It should be coded in out genes not to reproduce with immediate family.

Btw. same goes for rape, bestiality, child molestation, etc.

Originally Posted by IamKira

it's not the norm, i'm just saying it happens more than any of you people like to think ....and why aren't we all cannibalistic? really, that is tons and tons of calories wasted each year... we have over 1.4 billion people dying of starvation every year.. i bet they'd be happy to benefit off all that meat.

Are you seriously twisted? The flesh of meat eating animals, including us, contains enzymes that make the meat inedible,it may taste fine, but it is very harmful. This is why carnivores don't eat other meat eaters generally. It's not moral, it's genetic and evolutionary.

[ozkai]

Originally Posted by Nyororin

You know ozkai, the level of racism and ignorance being displayed in here by you is literally disgusting to me.

Anyway, I`m not even going to critique the television program, as ozkai probably saw what he wanted to see. If it`s a program outside Japan, well, we all know the ones trying to point and laugh at the "funny Japanese" are a dime a dozen. And if it was one inside Japan - I question how much of it did ozkai really understand?

Your bullying aside, I would hardly say running a "family variety" show on taking your daughter out on a fantasy date is "normal", or according to you, that's just me.

As far as racism goes, you are not judging me correctly, but rather simply assuming because I am discussing a programme that I saw within Japan.

I'm sure the televison programme would appreciate your foreign supportive thougths on the topic.

As far as Japan goes, I love the country, people and have loads of Japanese friends both within and outside my country. Hardly "racist".

[IamKira]

k, let me throw u a situation.. if i grew up w/ my sister and no other people around, eventually i'd develop my sexual organs and start having urges.. so your telling me i will just innately know that she is my sister and that having sex w/ her is wrong.. .... riiiiiggghht.... .. false, if i grew up being told by everyone that having sex w/ family members was the way things were done and i saw my family members acting in such a way i wouldn't hesitate to act as such... it is a social construct to act as we do in the face of incest.. and a good one (i am not in support of it because it can bring about mutated offspring).. if it didn't, i'd be more reluctant to immediately throw out the idea


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[smbx33]

Originally Posted by IamKira

k, let me throw u a situation.. if i grew up w/ my sister and no other people around, eventually i'd develop my sexual organs and start having urges.. so your telling me i will just innately know that she is my sister and that having sex w/ her is wrong.. .... riiiiiggghht.... .. false, if i grew up being told by everyone that having sex w/ family members was the way things were done and i saw my family members acting in such a way i wouldn't hesitate to act as such... it is a social construct to act as we do in the face of incest.. and a good one (i am not in support of it because it can bring about mutated offspring).. if it didn't, i'd be more reluctant to immediately throw out the idea

The way it works is that you are supposed to know your in the same family, anyone can make a "senario" to make something vile and disgusting seem innocent, or a part of life. I really hope you do not make these arguments in places where you are not anonymous. The only way that would work is if they were the only two people in the world or in a place VERY secluded which doesn't matter because if they are by themselves with no one to guide them, they will die from a hungry lion who just happen to pass by.

Although, I never had sexual feelings for my sisters, or my mother I could be out of line expecting all species of human to develop like me. If you for instance develop feelings for your immediate family rather than people outside your family...I would have to guess its an adaptation from the basic need to reproduce no matter what. Chances of incest seem to increase with people who are not social, and believe they can't get anyone else. This also applies to people who are exposed to too much fantasy porn and think its ok.

[Nyororin]

Originally Posted by ozkai

Your bullying aside, I would hardly say running a "family variety" show on taking your daughter out on a fantasy date is "normal", or according to you, that's just me.

A show about a new trend in fathers wanting to spend time with their daughters in a way that the daughter doesn`t hate (as is the norm)... That way being to take her out on a "date" so that she can look pretty and feel that she is being treated as an equal and talk to her father one on one without mom or other siblings taking up his time? A way to both teach the daughter how she should be treated (with respect) on a real date, and to strengthen a father-daughter bond because dad is working most of the time and doesn`t have a chance to get close to his children? I`m willing to bet, without any hesitation, that it was exactly this. And I`m pretty darned sure I`ve seen similar topics being covered on programs outside of Japan. Maybe they didn`t refer to the event as a "date", but rather father-daughter day, or father-daughter dinner, etc... But a quick search on Google turns up tons of "father-daughter date" hits, so it certainly isn`t a rare way to refer to it.

If the show were about a trend in fathers taking their daughters to hotels and molesting them, that would be one thing... But simply because it`s being called a "date" you`re jumping to WAY WAY too many conclusions that leave me with a bad taste in my mouth.

As far as racism goes, you are not judging me correctly, but rather simply assuming because I am discussing a programme that I saw within Japan.

No, I`m judging based on this specific quote and the exchange that followed it;
It just goes to show that "anything" is possible in Japan.

It is saying that you see your weird interpretation as possible in Japan - which if it isn`t racism please clarify what you did mean by it...
Plenty of fathers take their daughters out on "dates" all over the world - I`m sure that if you read the other replies in here you can see that. Nothing weird happens, and these fathers are NOT sexually motivated. But when it`s Japan, well, in your eyes things apparently change. That is what I found racist.

[Nyororin]

Originally Posted by IamKira

k, let me throw u a situation.. if i grew up w/ my sister and no other people around, eventually i'd develop my sexual organs and start having urges.. so your telling me i will just innately know that she is my sister and that having sex w/ her is wrong.. .... riiiiiggghht.... .. false, if i grew up being told by everyone that having sex w/ family members was the way things were done and i saw my family members acting in such a way i wouldn't hesitate to act as such... it is a social construct to act as we do in the face of incest.. and a good one (i am not in support of it because it can bring about mutated offspring).. if it didn't, i'd be more reluctant to immediately throw out the idea

Wrong, actually - even if she wasn`t your biological sister but you were around her constantly from childhood... Chances are you would not feel those urges toward her. It`s a type of imprinting (reverse sexual imprinting in this case) which is quite famous. It`s known as the Westermarck effect. When you are around someone very much from childhood, they are excluded from your potential source of mates. There is a similar effect when you have raised someone from infancy or early childhood. They are excluded as a potential partner.

The imprinting can be overridden, but the probability that sex would be anything more than a chore pushed on you is very low. In cultures where brides are sent to live with their future husband`s family as a very young age, this is a huge problem as there is pretty much guaranteed to be no spontaneous sexual activity and no love other than that of siblings... Making children is a responsibility and in some cases must be forced on the couple by supervising parents.

Even if you were told that this was the way it was done, and that this was natural, your chances of feeling an actual natural sexual attraction to your sister is very low. You may not feel aversion, as it`s not taboo, but you probably would never fall in love with her or lust after her. Without some sort of developmental abnormality or outside pressure, it`s a union that doesn`t happen.

[ozkai]

Originally Posted by Nyororin

If the show were about a trend in fathers taking their daughters to hotels and molesting them, that would be one thing... But simply because it`s being called a "date" you`re jumping to WAY WAY too many conclusions that leave me with a bad taste in my mouth.

My father used to go on outings with my sister, and they always had a treasured father and daughter relationship as you would think any parents would. My Father also worked seven days a week.

Try to sway me, I am sorry, that programme was just down right bizzare!

[MMM]

Originally Posted by ozkai

Try to sway me, I am sorry, that programme was just down right bizzare!

Names and links would help

[ozkai]

Originally Posted by MMM

Names and links would help

Definitely.. This was around five years ago whilst I was living in Japan and was on national TV.. It may very well be pasted to a vid site, but no idea of the name of the programme..

It could have possibly been on channel 4 at that time if that channel is still around?

I originally found it bizzare as the subject came up the other day through a conversation relating to a japanese girl who had experienced some bad things from her Father as a child and then we started to talk about this programme..

I do not think the idea of the programme was to relate to a simple Father and daughter relationship, and portrayed extras...

Just goes to show that all cultures very much think on opposite ends..

Some countries even donate girls as young as six as wives to the men..