Father's Taking Daughters on dates

[ColinHowell]

Originally Posted by smbx33

Are you seriously twisted? The flesh of meat eating animals, including us, contains enzymes that make the meat inedible,it may taste fine, but it is very harmful. This is why carnivores don't eat other meat eaters generally. It's not moral, it's genetic and evolutionary.

While IamKira's thinking makes no sense to me, your answer is wrong. As he posted in his response, lots of predators will eat other predators, given the opportunity. That's why biologists refer to a "top predator": one that nothing else preys upon.

As for the flesh of meat-eaters being toxic to other meat-eaters, there's no basis for that in general, though it's true that some environmental toxins can get concentrated as you move up the food chain. And it is dangerous for humans to eat carnivore livers, since the high concentration of vitamin A can be lethal.

As for IamKira, the only time that cannibalism for food purposes would make any evolutionary sense is when conditions are so horrible that there is no other way to keep everyone alive. Otherwise it's a loser's game. (I'm not counting cannibalism for the purpose of destroying a competitor's offspring, which does happen fairly often in nature.) You certainly can't maintain a population on cannibalism; it would be the biological equivalent of a perpetual motion machine.

And of course, given how lethal humans can be toward each other, consider that widespread human cannibalism would quickly lead to a nightmare killing field as people try to kill others to avoid being killed first. By the way, in a situation where human cannibalism was rampant, the starving people would be the first to be killed and eaten, because they would be least able to defend themselves.

[Deviruu]

Originally Posted by Nyororin

male relatives are pushed so far away sometimes that it`s hard to get to know them.

Ah... you just made me want to spend more time with my father. In my house we never did something like this. We don't get along with my father and don't see our other relatives, so we never had these "dates".

[MMM]

Originally Posted by ozkai

Definitely.. This was around five years ago whilst I was living in Japan and was on national TV.. It may very well be pasted to a vid site, but no idea of the name of the programme..

It could have possibly been on channel 4 at that time if that channel is still around?

I originally found it bizzare as the subject came up the other day through a conversation relating to a japanese girl who had experienced some bad things from her Father as a child and then we started to talk about this programme..

I do not think the idea of the programme was to relate to a simple Father and daughter relationship, and portrayed extras...

Just goes to show that all cultures very much think on opposite ends..

Some countries even donate girls as young as six as wives to the men..

I don't know where you lived and the channels are different in different parts of the country.

I am not sure how the experience of one girl is a reflection on an entire culture. Incest surely happens all over the world, but it is as much of a cultural imperative in Japan as it is in any first world westernized country = not at all.

[smbx33]

Originally Posted by ColinHowell

While IamKira's thinking makes no sense to me, your answer is wrong. As he posted in his response, lots of predators will eat other predators, given the opportunity. That's why biologists refer to a "top predator": one that nothing else preys upon.

As for the flesh of meat-eaters being toxic to other meat-eaters, there's no basis for that in general, though it's true that some environmental toxins can get concentrated as you move up the food chain. And it is dangerous for humans to eat carnivore livers, since the high concentration of vitamin A can be lethal.

As for IamKira, the only time that cannibalism for food purposes would make any evolutionary sense is when conditions are so horrible that there is no other way to keep everyone alive. Otherwise it's a loser's game. (I'm not counting cannibalism for the purpose of destroying a competitor's offspring, which does happen fairly often in nature.) You certainly can't maintain a population on cannibalism; it would be the biological equivalent of a perpetual motion machine.

And of course, given how lethal humans can be toward each other, consider that widespread human cannibalism would quickly lead to a nightmare killing field as people try to kill others to avoid being killed first. By the way, in a situation where human cannibalism was rampant, the starving people would be the first to be killed and eaten, because they would be least able to defend themselves.

It was not completely off, I heard it off someone before...I must have jumbled up the answer. I'm only human :P

[Columbine]

Originally Posted by IamKira

k, let me throw u a situation.. if i grew up w/ my sister and no other people around, eventually i'd develop my sexual organs and start having urges.. so your telling me i will just innately know that she is my sister and that having sex w/ her is wrong.. .... riiiiiggghht.... .. false, if i grew up being told by everyone that having sex w/ family members was the way things were done and i saw my family members acting in such a way i wouldn't hesitate to act as such... it is a social construct to act as we do in the face of incest.. and a good one (i am not in support of it because it can bring about mutated offspring).. if it didn't, i'd be more reluctant to immediately throw out the idea

Killer whales or orcas eat sealions
Polar bears eat seals.
Lions can kill other predators such as leopards, cheetahs, hyenas, and wild dogs, but seldom devour the competitors after killing them.
Wolves can kill pumas and other predators.

Let me throw you a reality. They already Proved that it's not close genetics that factor into choices against incest, but close relationships, as shown in the Kibbutz study I cited and you completely ignored. Never mind the fact that if two siblings grew up in complete isolation, sex wouldn't factor in at all due to severe social isolation; you'd be more preoccupied with surviving than reproducing. As someone else pointed out, just because extreme circumstances can push people to it still doesn't make it ~normal~. It's an abberation, not a rule.

Also your ideas about what 'cannabalism' is, are skewed. A) Whales and sealions are different species. It's not cannabalism. B) Killing other predators and ~eating~ them are two wholly different things, so your other two examples are nonsensical when arguing about cannabalism. There are also, in addition to everything Colin pointed out huge biological incentives NOT to engage in cannabalism as a normal practise. There are illnesses that can be transmitted easily from person to person when the flesh is consumed, or even develop from doing so, even if the meat is cooked and digested. It happened in Papua New Guinea, with devestating affects on the population, and was directly caused by cannabalism.

[IamKira]

that was just to disprove previous statement made by some one about carnivores not eating carnivores
and if you want to talk cannibalism, there are countless species in which the female will devour the male sexual partner to help keep her nourished during the reproductive cycle..

this is really what i don't understand about people.. i was throwing out a couple ideas, and instead of stopping and considering them, I was hounded with immediate attacks from people.. and yes i ignored it because i am bored w/ you people who think so in line w/ popular belief and couldn't be bothered to look it up right then.. might check it out later, but i can't imagine myself being suddenly turned by it

my friend and i have had talks about the subjects at hand, and why don't we practice incest?.. you grow close to someone the more you spend time w/ them. and the input cost on trying to go out into the world and lure a girl to you are so enormous, they outweigh simply "hiring from inside".. it saves time and energy, .. and i'm not succinctly proposing sister/ brother ... generally you grow close to your cousins and for the most part they are generally geographically accessible.. so why don't we make love to our cousins?.. it would be so efficient and fun at that

[clairebear]

I can't believe someone is trying to defend incest.

[IamKira]

Originally Posted by clairebear

I can't believe someone is trying to defend incest.

I know.. shocking isn't it?... appalling!! horrible eh?... *-absolutely-* the most central issue the world needs to deal w/ at the moment is people who don't immediately turn heads or tails on the subject of incest.

[zombiegeisha]

I'd see it as a bonding thing.
My father and I do the same thing.
We go see movies, go out to eat.

[smbx33]

Originally Posted by IamKira

I know.. shocking isn't it?... appalling!! horrible eh?... *-absolutely-* the most central issue the world needs to deal w/ at the moment is people who don't immediately turn heads or tails on the subject of incest.

I'm going to come up with a conclusion....

1. You where abused as a child
2. You are still being abused
3. You've never had sex, outside your family (and are trying to justify it)
4. Watch too much anime porn.

popular belief?

No this is like trying to argue the sky is brown when obviously its blue. The only way its going to be brown is if you have defects in your eyes, and the same applies to incest. The only way someone actually thinks this is right is if there is something wrong with them.

As a boy choosing a mating partner should be easy since there are way more women than men out there. I don't see how it saves time to "keep it in the family" when obviously all your gonna be doing is stacking up medical bills for all the deformed kids you are going to be having. I don't even think animals have sex with their siblings...which is sad because I used to think we were smarter than them.