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11-14-2009, 09:44 PM
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Damn the microwaveable stuff for it's convience! I even love vegetables. SHAME. Where did you find that info? I've been looking for it but didn't find anything. 
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11-14-2009, 09:47 PM
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11-15-2009, 12:30 AM
It probably depends on where you live as far as produce prices. Fresh fruits and vegetables tend to be expensive, especially organic foods. My family sticks with organic foods and veggies...very expensive.
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11-15-2009, 06:24 AM
I personally don't think this would be a terrible thing for the US if it done correctly, meaning in a way that will not simply humiliate people and a way that will actually help people. I have been obese for years, and I would love to have some encouragement and someone to help me find ways to lose the weight, since I cannot really afford anything to help me and I have some health problems that make some exercises quite difficult.
The obesity rate is very troubling and I think something needs to be done. Obesity has gotten horrible in a short period of time, according to what I've seen; when I was in elementary school, students called me "fat" all the time, and I'm in college now, and I haven't been made fun of for my weight since early middle school, because by that time, every one else was fat, too. >_< Really, though, if the government wants to help with weight loss, they need to make the really healthy food affordable for poorer people (like myself) and find some sort of way to help encourage physical activity so that people will want to do it, and it not be a horrible pain for them.  Quote:
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11-15-2009, 10:50 AM
I'm glad most of you can understand it all comes down to personal choices. That's it, no excuses!
America is in fact a consumer nation, under many pressures to fit an image and live a certain way. They work day in and day out convinced that they must display themselves in a certain light. But I find it very ironic that the American ideal of beauty is an image of fitness, but many Americans have become obese. And also, technology is supposed to free up time in carrying out tasks, but instead, people fill up those time gaps with more tasks! It's the basics of organizing priorities, and personal health should be at number 1. Finding the time to cook and exercise, yes rather than watch TV, or sit on the computer. Many products are labeled "diet", but even a diet coke has harmful qualities when drunk daily. But like anything else, and everything in general, it's about taking things in moderation. I find that I can become addicted to sugar when I'm not careful. I try to replace my sugars with something like fruit or health cereal as my snack instead of soda and candy. I am not obese, and I am not fat. This is because I keep away from junk food. I approach it like poison. If I have a craving for pizza, I'll reward myself on a Friday night, maybe twice a month. But NO binging (excessive eating of junk food). I had a fat roommate once that desperately wanted to lose weight. She exercised, ate veggis, fruits. Then on the weekend she would binge eat and have cookies and hamburgers, really bad stuff. Losing weight was a slow process because of this, and she ended up gaining weight back. The body can become addicted to certain foods. Weening yourself off is the way to do it. And also reprogramming your brain. I've adapted my pallet to reject the taste of food dye and sugar in things. I don't watch TV, and I do cook all my meals. I find that I enjoy and digest food better when they are fresh rather than a TV dinner from the microwave or something from a drive through. I live with 2 young nephews, and I see eating mistakes that are so common. I tell them not to eat the cereal like dog food. And I tell them to eat real food if they are hungry, instead of eating all the snacks - like cookies and Fruit Rollups. I see them trying to achieve feeling full through that method of binge eating. They know now to simply ask me to cook for them. And I've noticed that they've stopped asking for pizza for every meal. But these are children, children don't know any better. Adults are supposed to know self control. 
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11-15-2009, 08:59 PM
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#1. I don't want big brother watching my scale and comparing my BMI. Someone's weight is their own business unless someone is so big and unagile enough physically to be violating some sort of law that involves a fire hazzard, escape door or just in position to topple over and crush someone. #2. I'm sorry but raw ingredients (organic ones aside) are not expenisve. Healthy food are affordable period. If someone would like to connect me to a grocery store website or provide pictures of price tags where this is not the case in comparison, then this point isn't valid. Spend the $50 some bucks a year at a warehouse retailer such as Costco and stock up on savings if you have a big family. Most of the warehouse retailers also recently accept government EBT. #3. For those strapped for time from the long work week who care about their waistline... cook on your day(s) / time off for the week. Make a menu. Those with insane schedules in the US are burned out during the week and don't have time due to the life and work style of America - it is just impossible for some - so they fall back on poor diet choices. It shouldn't be this way, but it is. Almost anywhere you go there are ways to get free information about how to better your lifestyle and free programs. Free TV, Raido, literature from the library etc. If you have any kind of health insurance most likely they can direct you to free programs or information. New or more government programs are NOT the answer. I'm back pedaling a little on my first take on this in the thread. I still think the american work style and commuting options and diet options available when outside of home play a heavy role in the cause of weight gain. But as others mentioned in this thread in rebute, it does and should continue to fall back into the laps of the individual. The US just has a more difficult path because of the transportation options we (most of the time) have to use, and the life style. Only when one has the ability to fail and knows there isn't a safety net or no other reason but personal success or failure will they themselves overcome. Say no to government bail outs and yes to personal responsibility. Everyone should have the fear of complete failure.
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11-16-2009, 01:14 AM
clint, do you think people should have the right to engage in dangerously unhealthy behavior that ends up costing everyone more money (in higher insurance rates and medical costs)?
Just as alcohol, gasoline, cigarettes are taxed, I think junk food and drinks should also be taxed and that money should go to offsetting the costs obesity, and obesity-caused illnesses have on society as a whole.
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11-16-2009, 05:17 AM
MMM, I'm sorry, there is a MMM posting under your handle. He wrote:
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MMM, private insurance companies understand this and have healthness awareness programs and other benefits. If not, they just won't sell them a policy. If the insurance company is forced to let them in because of an employer then the rates for that company should be affected and it should then be the companies responsibility to get their employees in order. Thus in the end it falls back on the responsibility of the individual. If they already have a policy and one decides to blow themselves up to a certain weight disclosed in the policy (not due to a hormone inbalance), then you risk high premiums, rehab or termination. Kind of like you burning down your restaurant or crashing your car to collect on the insurance. But I'm talking about really destroying your body... like hitting the morbid BMIs. An exception to this in most cases:If you are in a position of power in public that requires your physical health... i.e. mass transit driver, pilot, etc etc that should be taken care of by that company. Quote:
Why stop there? Why not tax TV (rots your brain), games (addictive and can consume your life... could leave your baby in the car and forget about it), internet (too much free speech there and someone of weak mind could get the wrong idea and commit bodily injury), porn (yeah its bad), tanning salons, chocolate, tea, dare I say it... coffee... (tea and coffee for the caffine). Too much of anything is bad for you in the long run... Why not just make them illegal... Lets not just make anything bad for you illegal or tax it to death. Why stop with obesity ... go for too thin too. Or not strong enough, too frail... How about sports deemed to be risky physically. All can be addictive and damaging. Stop with the taxing already... the last thing we need is letting government tax something else.. I'm don't want to pay an extra 25 cents for a cup of co-co because someone likes co-co too much.
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11-16-2009, 05:20 AM
Oh, I like that idea, MMM!
I actually thought about this issue earlier today and thought that making junk food and unhealthy food expensive and healthier foods cheaper would be a good idea, to inspire people to eat healthier by not wanting to spend the extra money on unhealthy food. Quote:
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