Bowing to the emperor

[MMM]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Are you being too sensitive? It wasn't sarcasm.

I don't think I am being anything. You divide people into two categories. i say I am not in either of those categories, and then you respond by pointing out my nationality. So I ask again, what was that supposed to mean?

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by MMM

i say I am not in either of those categories, and then you respond by pointing out my nationality. So I ask again, what was that supposed to mean?

It was meant nothing other than I am amused by average Americans arguing over something very small.

[Salvanas]

So?

So? So? I said that so to make sure that people don't get the wrong idea and think that I'm just bashing British and American people. I'm saying it from a British point of view.

So America and England is the top of your list in your book overall, or just in comparison to Japan?

Pray tell me, where did I say it was at the top of my list? I was agreeing with you to a point. Every culture and society has a trait that is prominent more-so than other traits. In Americans, along with other countries, arrogance is a natural thing.

I didn't say anything of the sort and neither did the article from foxnews. And an excuse for what; saying that Americans and the Brittish are Arrogant and have a superiority complex?

Nor did I say you said anything. Stop getting so defensive.

As for the article:

"Some were especially angry that the man the president bowed to is the son of Emperor Hirohito, who led Japan during World War II. RedState's Mark Impomeni -- whose blog post included iconic photos of the Iwo Jima flag-raising and Japan's surrender along with the picture of Obama's bow -- called the president "an embarrassment" who's "bent on dishonoring" the service and sacrifice of Americans who fought against Japan."

That is what my comment was aimed at.

The point is this is just a luxury the leaders of the free world do not have. That is why there are rules of protocol, which he continues to violate. He is there are the president of the US and the leader of the free world (if that title has any meaning anymore), not as American visitor Obama and should be neutral in his representation of the American people.

Again, I was agreeing with you. He didn't do it as accurately as he should of. Then again, the Emperor didn't take it too heart.

The critics are over-reacting as always.

Read the full article about why this is even news:
Obama Draws Fire for Bow to Japanese Emperor - FOXNews.com

"When you're representing the United States of America, everything speaks ... on behalf of our country," "It's a visual. It shows more of a subservient look."

"She said Obama was clearly trying to show respect, but that the royal couple would not expect such a gesture from a Western leader. Eyring, who reviewed the video of the encounter, said they seemed a "bit uncomfortable" watching Obama bow. "

"Former President Clinton got slammed for coming close to bowing to the Japanese emperor in 1994. The New York Times ridiculed him, noting, "The image on the South Lawn was indelible: an ob-sequent President, and the Emperor of Japan." But the paper wrote that the "thou need not bow" standard in State Department protocol has been constant since the country's founding."

Firstly. FOX news.

Secondly, when we've reached a place in life, where one nation deems itself so superior to another, that's when we need to stop and move back. Believing that the President should not of bowed, (Which please, note that I am not aiming this at YOU.) is just a completely ridiculous to think. What he did was right, but the way he executed it was wrong.

Also, I don't understand why the Americans seem to think they should not be bowing to other countries. I mean, they aren't in such high lights these days, and they won't be for a long time. It just shows their arrogance.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

It was meant nothing other than I am amused by average Americans arguing over something very small.

So now I am not an only an American but am an "average American"?

Komitsuki, please don't pretend you are not an active participant in the discussion.

Originally Posted by Salvanas

Also, I don't understand why the Americans seem to think they should not be bowing to other countries. I mean, they aren't in such high lights these days, and they won't be for a long time. It just shows their arrogance.

Again, let's try an use other terms besides "Americans". I am an American, and I do not fit in this bubble. I am guessing a majority don't.

[darksyndrem]

Originally Posted by MMM

Again, let's try an use other terms besides "Americans". I am an American, and I do not fit in this bubble. I am guessing a majority don't.

Now you are being sensitive.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by darksyndrem

Now you are being sensitive.

Why do you hate America, Dark?

[clintjm]

Originally Posted by Salvanas

Nor did I say you said anything. Stop getting so defensive.

When you spew your opinion of entrire societies with unfounded negative traits then people are going to get defensive.

Just because you are part of one of those societies doesn't make this any less of a bigotted statement.

Originally Posted by Salvanas

As for the article:
"Some were especially angry that the man the president bowed to is the son of Emperor Hirohito.."
That is what my comment was aimed at.

Then take those opinions up with the comment opinion blog it came from. This is WHY there is protocol for chiefs of state.

Originally Posted by Salvanas

Again, I was agreeing with you. He didn't do it as accurately as he should of. Then again, the Emperor didn't take it too heart.
The critics are over-reacting as always.

You just don't seem to see that he shouldn't have done it at all.

Originally Posted by Salvanas

Firstly. FOX news.

You obviously didn't read the fox news article. And the original article in this thread that sourced fox news article was also talking about reactions in blogs.

Originally Posted by Salvanas

Secondly, when we've reached a place in life, where one nation deems itself so superior to another, that's when we need to stop and move back. Believing that the President should not of bowed, (Which please, note that I am not aiming this at YOU.) is just a completely ridiculous to think. What he did was right, but the way he executed it was wrong.

Its also foolish to put all nations on a level platform.

??? No... he shouldn't have bowed...
As a head of state it is incorrect protocol. He is representing all Americans, not as visitor Obama.

Well you can aim it at me because I think he should of followed international chief of state protocol and it is ridiculous for this President to try to play Bah Weep grahna weep nini bom when he is representing a large nation. Its incompatible with his position. Just as if the head of state of Niger met the US president would they do their native greeting because it is interpretted differently in other societies.

Originally Posted by Salvanas

Also, I don't understand why the Americans seem to think they should not be bowing to other countries. I mean, they aren't in such high lights these days, and they won't be for a long time. It just shows their arrogance.

This last statement has no foundation and comes across as just blind anger. I think you just trying to light a flame now.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by clintjm

You obviously didn't read the fox news article. And the original article in this thread that sourced fox news article was also talking about reactions in blogs.

My point exactly. Quoting bloggers is not "news".

Originally Posted by clintjm

??? No... he shouldn't have bowed...
As a head of state it is incorrect protocol. He is representing all Americans, not as visitor Obama.

Explain to me why the Japanese bow is incorrect protocol when greeting someone in Japan. This is the opposite of the reality I have known for decades. When you meet someone for the first time, you bow.

I think the confusion is the meaning of the Japanese bow (greetings) and the meaning of the English term "bow down to someone" which means give up your defenses and allow them to take over.

So it's an issue of semantics that makes FOX "News" and its pundits looks silly.

[darksyndrem]

Originally Posted by MMM

Why do you hate America, Dark?

Huh? I never said I hate America? I just think to ask someone not to call Americans, Americans is a bit sensitive. I mean, it should be pretty obvious that he's not talking about every single American, he's just talking about Americans in general. It may sound racist...but I can tell you as an American, that's it's pretty much true.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by darksyndrem

Huh? I never said I hate America? I just think to ask someone not to call Americans, Americans is a bit sensitive. I mean, it should be pretty obvious that he's not talking about every single American, he's just talking about Americans in general. It may sound racist...but I can tell you as an American, that's it's pretty much true.

It was a joke.

I would respond calling a small number of hyper-conservative pundits paid to create controversy the general term "Americans" is not fair to the majority of Americans who, thankfully, aren't that unintelligent and misinformed. I can tell you as an American, that it's pretty much not true.