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11-18-2009, 09:36 PM
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But the studies you and Sangetsu reference (but fail to cite) in which marijuana causes psychosis, brain cell damage, and health damage were commissioned by the federal government -- where they forced Rhesus monkeys to inhale the equivalent of 1000 joints in 5 minutes through gas masks, causing brain damage due to lack of oxygen, not Marijuana. And these facts are STILL being championed by anti-marijuana associations and idiots like YOU. Also you guys totally disprove any medicinal use of marijuana, yet you stick up for the synthetic marinol pills? If it doesn't have any medicinal value, why support marinol (which often causes nausea and a very uncomfortable sensation)? Quote:
10 reasons prohibition is bad: 1. Prohibition encourages people to see the law as unrealistic and whimsical, instead of with the respect and obedience a real law deserves. 2. Prohibition creates organized crime. 3. Prohibition permanently corrupts law enforcement, the court system, elections, and politics in general. 4. Prohibition overburdens police, courts, and the penal system. 5. Prohibition causes physical harm. Because alcohol was illegal, its purity was not regulated. While fruit, vegetable, and grain alcohol is usually safe, alcohol made from wood is not — but it is difficult to tell the difference until too late. The same happens today with illegal drugs — most overdoses are accidental, a result from not knowing the purity or strength of the drug. All of this a result of prohibition! 6. Prohibition prevents the treatment of addiction It’s a lot harder to say you have a problem when it could land you in jail. 7. Prohibition is ridiculously expensive. Experts estimate that legalizing marijuana would save $7.7 billion per year in government expenditure on enforcement of prohibition. $5.3 billion of this savings would accrue to state and local governments, while $2.4 billion would accrue to the federal government. The report also estimates that marijuana legalization would yield tax revenue of $2.4 billion annually if marijuana were taxed like all other goods and $6.2 billion annually if marijuana were taxed at rates comparable to those on alcohol and tobacco. 8. Prohibition (a.k.a. 'The War on Drugs') is a complete failure, and is essentially impossible to win 9. A regulated, legal market in marijuana would reduce marijuana sales and use among teenagers, as well as reduce their exposure to other more dangerous drugs in the illegal market. 10. Marijuana's legalization would simplify the development of hemp as a valuable and diverse agricultural crop in the United States, including its development as a new bio-fuel to reduce carbon emissions Quote:
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11-19-2009, 12:22 AM
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Japan Shocked By Marijuana Scandals It's the same as in most countries around the world, it's used a lot in private because several decades ago America dictated to the world that it should be banned. Says there is talk among politics in Japan about the alcohol legality. Sounds dangerous, but I digress. I don't want to get all preachy. I think the list above presents the standard fare of arguments already. This isn't about if mj is good or bad, the debate is complete, at least scientifically and logically; and no offense but I'd rather not argue about it unless somebody really wants to bring some valid references like the anti-prohibition side does. The reason this topic has come to mine and others' attention recently is because of the violence in the country to the south of here, Mexico. I would rather not travel there as I used to because of it. And other countries are affected as it worsens. Why wait until it's too late? I know I said I wouldn't get preachy but I just have to say, I think the reason people dismiss the arguments is because they can't digest the idea that their governments and cultures lied to them so clearly about the dangers of a weed. Sorry, but they did. Please look at the evidence.
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11-19-2009, 12:26 AM
It's funny to me that as humans (Americans especially) it's completely natural to question politics and politicians, because for the most part we know them to be liars. But when it comes to the illegality of a plant, we assume they must have their priorities in order
 All the arguments against marijuana are a direct result of it's prohibition (gang crime, gateway drug theory, paranoia, marinol, etc.)
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11-19-2009, 04:12 AM
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I'm not reffering to any monkey tests, I'm reffering to a mentally challenged family in poor health. I don't know what you're talking about for medicine. Is that directed at me? Quote:
The eternal Saint is calling, through the ages she has told. The ages have not listened; the will of faith has grown old…
For forever she will wander, for forever she withholds; the Demon King is on his way, you’d best not be learned untold…
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11-19-2009, 04:12 AM
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The eternal Saint is calling, through the ages she has told. The ages have not listened; the will of faith has grown old…
For forever she will wander, for forever she withholds; the Demon King is on his way, you’d best not be learned untold…
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11-19-2009, 05:54 AM
Any substance that people use habitually and rely on is not good for you. Is that enough to make it illegal? No. Is it "worse" than tobacco and alcohol? No. But that doesn`t make it GOOD for you. It does hurt people, it does ruin lives.
I could really care less if it`s legal or illegal, as it exists in the same field as tobacco and alcohol. But I cannot stand the arguments that it is perfectly healthy, that it has never hurt anyone, etc. It`s addictive. People waste their lives obtaining and using it. It`s not harmless. I think that continuing to say that hurts the cause more than just admitting that there are some people out there who cannot handle it. "Not usually that harmful" is closer to the truth.
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11-19-2009, 06:56 AM
But there hasn't been anything in marijuana to be addictive. That is the point many are trying to state. This is true, marijuana itself is not addictive. You cant say it is addictive when it is not. People have addictive personalities, they get addicted to things it happens. People are addicted to porn and gambling, but theses things are not in themselves addictive. Its the person who enjoys it so much that they become addicted to it. This is the same for marijuana. You cant blame the product for that, just the people using it.
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11-19-2009, 07:09 AM
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Believe it or not THC occurs naturally in the CB1 receptor and its splice variant CB1A, found predominantly in the brain with highest densities in the hippocampus, cerebellum and striatum. (How THC Affects The Brain) Are you saying your family wouldn't be mentally challenged had they not smoked marijuana? That's nonsense. I have a family that is full of cancer, limes disease, and paralysis -- all of whom smoke marijuana for various medicinal purposes, yet you ignore me as though I don't have any "personal" experience. There are legal alternatives at your local health store that are far more dangerous and unstudied. Marijuana is PROVEN to have MEDICAL BENEFITS (your argument to the contrary is flat out ignorance) Quote:
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