Global Warming farce?

[solemnclockwork]

Originally Posted by xyzone

I read a blog from an invisible pink unicorn once that said you are the spirit of false and are vulnerable to requests of proof.

You do know that you can be marked for trolling/flaming?

Start contributing to the thread please.

[xyzone]

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

You do know that you can be marked for trolling/flaming?

Start contributing to the thread please.

Your opinion is your opinion. I contributed starkly to this thread with logical points. If they went above your head it's not my problem.

And stop trolling/flaming, pretty please.

[ozkai]

Originally Posted by xyzone

Your opinion is your opinion. I contributed starkly to this thread with logical points. If they went above your head it's not my problem.

And stop trolling/flaming, pretty please.

Guys, Please.. Stop the childish name calling..

I believe China and the US are two of the worlds worst contributors to Greenhouse Gases..

What on godly earth does that have to do with religion!!

[ozkai]

I really hate the delay in doing something about the warming situation..

Australia is still pondering solar and windMills, China is now building towers with grass on the roof, really, how will this help..

Don't they need to ban coal, cigarettes, gasoline, petroleum, and IMMEDIATELY?

[solemnclockwork]

Originally Posted by ozkai

Guys, Please.. Stop the childish name calling..

I believe China and the US are two of the worlds worst contributors to Greenhouse Gases..

What on godly earth does that have to do with religion!!

No one brought religion up. Could it be that you seen my quote and thought that was apart of the post? Other then that, I don't know what you refer to the religion part.

I would like to see debate not ridicule. I don't have the knowledge at hand to deal with it, thus I hope to achieve this later and study it more for later reference.

[clintjm]

I found this interesting.

John Coleman, PHD in Meteorology and founder of the weather channel, has been an outspoken advicate that Global Warming is a scam and at one point wanted to sue Al Gore.
Link:
Weather Channel Founder: Sue Al Gore to Expose Global Warming Fraud | NewsBusters.org

and this little tid bit when he was on CNN calling out Micheal Manning on the same falsified numbers on the global warming data and the hockey stick graph YEARS before the incriminating leaked E-mails were released.

Link:
YouTube - Global Warming greatest scam in history

Absolutely fabulous recent article here by John Coleman here:

Link:
Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

Recent Quote:

"I am not alone in this assessment. There are hundreds of other meteorologists, many of them PH D’s, who are as certain as I am that this global warming frenzy is based on bad science and is not valid.

I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.

In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious. As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super storm pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we have been duped.

The sky is not falling. And, natural cycles and drifts in climate are as much if not more responsible for any climate changes underway.

I strongly believe that the next twenty years are equally as likely to see a cooling trend as they are to see a warming trend."

[MMM]

Originally Posted by clintjm

In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious. As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super storm pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we have been duped.

But it IS happening now.

Greenland: Glaciers Melt, Economy Heats Up
One Place in the World That May Actually Welcome Climate Change

(CBS) There's no mystery about the effect global warming is having on the great glaciers of Greenland. More ice breaking off and floating out sea than has ever been observed before.

CBS News correspondent Mark Phillips reports Greenland's most active glacier now sheds enough ice each year now to cover Manhattan almost a mile deep.

Space imagery of the glacier shows how it has been shrinking back over the years - supporting the scientific consensus that the Greenland ice-cap is thinning, the melt-water causing sea levels around the world to rise. Levels that are feared may rise another two feet or more this century by the most widely accepted estimates.

The mountain-sized icebergs have been called the best evidence of global warming on the planet.

What was once the edge of a glacier has been receding at an ever-quicker rate so that now you've got to travel some 50 miles straight up the fjord until you hit the glacial wall itself.

For Johannes Mathaussen and the 4,500 people who live in Ilulissat, warmer weather means having to adapt. If the sea ice doesn't freeze up solid, allowing them to go out to hunt seals and to fish, they can make money taking intrepid tourists on dog sled trips into the spectacular, if stark, hinterland.

The winters around here just aren't what they used to be. In the old days, it used to get to minus 50 degrees below zero, Fahrenheit. Now, just minus 13, Fahrenheit.

Yet Greenlanders - all 57,000 of them - share a quiet little secret. For them there may be a silver lining in the climate change cloud.

The glacier is speeding up, running twice as quickly as it was just five years ago. There's another thing that may be speeding up here: the economy.

Where Greenland's traditionally lived off fishing and a massive subsidy from the colonial authority, Denmark - there's now a construction boom going on in the capital of Nuuk, a town of about 17,000 people.

Mining companies are lining up to explore the rich deposits of gold, copper and iron ore that are becoming more accessible as the ice recedes from coastal regions.

And there are good signs as well of significant oil reserves offshore. Inside their mittens, Greenlanders may have their fingers crossed that their future looks bright.

The trick will be to preserve their traditions while adapting to the changes. There is a worry here that too much wealth too soon may not be a good thing.

"I am afraid of getting rich right away because it will affect a way of thinking," said Stina Berthelsen of the Inuit Circumpolar Youth Council. "I do trust our people that we're going to figure it out. We're survivors."

Back on his dogsled, Johannes Mathaussen may be concerned that the old ways will have to change here. And he's not yet thinking of himself as a Sled Dog Millionaire. But, whatever devastation climate change may cause elsewhere in the world, you get the sense Johannes thinks that here, on the edge of civilization, there may also be good times ahead.

[clintjm]

Originally Posted by MMM

But it IS happening now.

But for how long and in just which places? I think his point was "predicted on cue". Weather is ever changing in all places. Basically the point he is trying to make that it foolish to think man can really stop or change this and that the movement people such as Al Gore and government(s) is for power and money.

Greenland is just another example that weather is ever changing and doesn't follow any set rules over a period of time.

Its interesting that CBS calls it global warming for warming stories and when "climate change" is a cooling effect its "Climate Change".

All in all a good article though by CBS.

Here is another:

"What if all the ice melts?" Myths and realities

Really good scientific data from scientist around the world referenced and in the comments section of the page.

[Kyousuke]

Originally Posted by clintjm

But for how long and in just which places? I think his point was "predicted on cue". Weather is ever changing in all places. Basically the point he is trying to make that it foolish to think man can really stop or change this and that the movement people such as Al Gore and government(s) is for power and money.

Greenland is just another example that weather is ever changing and doesn't follow any set rules over a period of time.

Its interesting that CBS calls it global warming for warming stories and when "climate change" is a cooling effect its "Climate Change".

All in all a good article though by CBS.

Here is another:

"What if all the ice melts?" Myths and realities

Really good scientific data from scientist around the world referenced and in the comments section of the page.

but there cannot be a reaction without an action. doesn't matter if weather doesn't follow any set patterns because humans do. we cause most of it with green house gases and allow it to continue. We did put limitations on how much we pollute by fining companies who don't filter out most of the pollutants, if im wrong please correct me on this my history on it is bad. what i meant by my first comment was in order to get people to become aware of the dangers of it, maybe lying to the public is whats necessary to get them to care about their home. but that was a while back. weather you believe global warming is a lie is irrelevant because it is taking place. In the town where i live we used to have 2 lakes. one of them is gone now. the lake used to be pretty big but about 3 years ago the lake looked like a pond then it disappeared. the second one is receding. i figure in order to save the planet and guarantee our survival as a species we need to take responsibility for the care of our planet. some people might say that it goes against our rights, but it doesn't matter whether we like it or not, its our responsibility, just like taking care of a baby or a puppy. you don't take care of it at all and blow smoke in it's face your going to kill it.

i should say that this sounds much better in my head, but thats basically what i think.

[clintjm]

Originally Posted by Kyousuke

but there cannot be a reaction without an action. doesn't matter if weather doesn't follow any set patterns because humans do. we cause most of it with green house gases and allow it to continue. We did put limitations on how much we pollute by fining companies who don't filter out most of the pollutants, if im wrong please correct me on this my history on it is bad. what i meant by my first comment was in order to get people to become aware of the dangers of it, maybe lying to the public is whats necessary to get them to care about their home. but that was a while back. weather you believe global warming is a lie is irrelevant because it is taking place. In the town where i live we used to have 2 lakes. one of them is gone now. the lake used to be pretty big but about 3 years ago the lake looked like a pond then it disappeared. the second one is receding. i figure in order to save the planet and guarantee our survival as a species we need to take responsibility for the care of our planet. some people might say that it goes against our rights, but it doesn't matter whether we like it or not, its our responsibility, just like taking care of a baby or a puppy. you don't take care of it at all and blow smoke in it's face your going to kill it.

i should say that this sounds much better in my head, but thats basically what i think.

Interesting metaphores.
Like yourself, many believe changes in the environment are always bad and unnatural and that man is the root cause. I think this is the real debate here.

I don't think climate change (global warming or global cooling) isn't happening. It is. I just don't believe man is the root cause and we are foolish to believe that man can control the weather or the ever changing globe.

As as the article from MMM posted, it isn't always for the negative. The result of weather is always a gamble. Did we get enough rain this year, did we get too much? Was it too hot or too cold?

Sure I can agree to take some steps to reduce pollution that is harmful to man-kind and the environment. And to some extent for Co2 and methane, but not as a priority over the true problems of the world, economy, and man-kind taking a back seat to polar bears. The views today being shoveled by government and the likes are out of control to the point of man's breath and population control is just genocide.