Global Warming farce?

[Sangetsu]

Originally Posted by WhoIsDaffy

if you were to release a single molecule of CO2 into the atmosphere.

this would increase the temp (by about 1.2X10-20,000 but still)

in the same way that if a speeding train coasting along hits a fly, it will slow down.

this is called Physics.

did u even click link?

@sang.

1. a dif of 1.1-6.6 is a world of difference to 100-1000 times.
your using multiplication, so its a Huge diff.
eg if your start with 10
your saying that it is anywhere between 1000-10,000.
thats a range of 9000 from a start point of just 10.
if we start at 100 your looking at 10,000-100,000
a range of 90,000!
this is a margin of error over 100% thus any conclusion taken from this is automatically invalid

2. i dont care if he is the pope.
that is not a scientific document
it is a report written with intent.
it is propoganda

And the IPCC reports aren't? Michael Mann and Dr Johnson's written reports say that global temperatures have been steadily increasing, while amongst themselves they say that it isn't? (and, that that is somehow a "travesty?) The CRU's Siberian tree-ring temperature records indicate the global warming stopped occurring in 1961, so when you look at Dr Johnson's temperature charts, the tree-ring temperature line is terminated in the middle of nexus of other lines, so the overall chart won't show any decline. This was the famous "Nature trick" which was mentioned in the the hacked emails. Since tree-ring data was not showing any global warming (and was actually indicating a temperature decline, do you wonder why an ice age was being predicted in the 1970's?), Dr Johnson and friends decided not to show it on their graphs, and replaced it with ground station data.

This ground station data would not have shown any increase either, except that Dr Johnson and company cherry picked their weather stations, the majority of which were located in urban areas, because urban areas have been getting warmer. This sham was revealed by Russia's IEA in the news last week, when Russia claimed that the temperature data which the CRU had obtained from Russia had "been tampered with". Since Russia makes up 15% of the world's land mass, any temperature trends in Russia are important.

Sorry if my math is a little fuzzy, but even at the minimum estimates by IPCC scientists, ancient C02 levels were at times much higher than modern levels. And, yes, the IPCC's report on global warming has a prediction with a 600% error rate, which turns out to have been too small, as there has been global cooling since the report was published.

Co2 has increased in the atmosphere steadily over the last decade, yet temperatures have declined. If you are right in assuming that Co2 is a major greenhouse gas, shouldn't the opposite have occurred? I suppose that Co2 caused global warming is at fault for much of North America having the coldest summer in recorded history? Despite an El Nino effect?

This winter in Japan is noticeably colder than last winter, in my neighborhood we've had 2 hard frosts already, last winter we didn't have any, and it's only December, the coldest months are yet to come. Global warming is becoming increasingly hard to sell.

Show me a chart which shows the world is getting warming since 1998. Of course, now that date is in dispute, it turns out that the hottest year on record may have actually been 1934. In either case, the world in 2009 is a cooler place then either of those years.

[WhoIsDaffy]

for a start.
The term "global warming" is a bit of a misnomer.
again, weather is a deeply complex beast. this must be understood.
its not simple. its complex.

right now alot of ice is melting, due to warmer atmosphere,
large chunks of ice, there was one the size of india not too long ago,
float south, and then make the ambient sea temperature of the north atlantic colder.

Japan is the meeting point between warm and cold currents, however if there is ice melting into the cold current then that cold current will become less saline (salty)
it is this difference in saline levels as well as the difference in sea levels that largely drives the currents.

however year on year there is less see ice between Russia and Alaska,
Temperature is not the only thing that effects the ocean,
your looking at things like density, oxygenation, and saline levels etc.
as saline levels have a major effect on the currents hitting japan, and these currents in turn have a major effect on japans weather,
after all Japan is on the same latitude as spain, it does not snow in spain.

even earthquakes and other sisemic events can have short term impacts on ocean currents.

It is only out of ignorance that you can say:
nuh its not getting warmer, its all a scam

Plane Stupid Polar Bear Ad - iViewTube.com

consider the following:
somewhere in France 1992
little one: "what did you do during WW2 grandad?"
old man: "nothing, i just carried on living my life as normal"
LO : "what!? did you not care about all the people being killed in concentration camps?"
OM: "well at the time there was no hard evidence, infact according to the Germans it was all made up"
LO : "you looser grandad, johnny's grandad was a partisan - hes so much cooler than you"

===
"WE DO NOT INHERIT THE EARTH FROM OUR PARENTS, WE BORROW IT FROM OUR CHILDREN"

you are not being asked to do that much!

thats what takes the piss.
if everyone made minor changes to everyday things it can be done.
no one is asking you to live in a tent and eat only lentils.

nobody says stop driving your car,
but perhaps instead of buying one with a 4.0 litre engine why not get one with a 2.0 litre engine which will go just as fast,
or even a little 1.1 after all unless your in germany you have no need to go faster than 80MPH

or if you drive less than 100 miles per day, get an electric car, its cheaper and faster

switch electronics off instead of using stand-by

if its all a farce then all you have done is save yourself money
but if its not, at least you can tell your grandchildren that you did your part.
and that the reason the climate is f**ked is because of ignorant fools who had thier head in the sands.

- Russia is trying to muddy climate change reports eh?
-hmm i wonder what the main export of russia, that pretty much the entire russian economy is built upon is.
oh yea, oil and gas.
-also its worth noting that if you look at what is likely to happen Russia will actually come out of climate change in a strong position.

when you consider whats at stake, the billions of lives that are at stake in the 3rd world
is it really that much to ask?
what if it was your life?
the life of your family?

just because its outside of your monkey-sphere does not mean you should act like a primitive.

so if you had the choice,
curb greenhouse gasses (and save money), or there will be a 1% chance your children and parents and rest of your family will be killed.

would you gamble?
even at 1%?
because if you chose to believe big-oil propoganda, thats what your doing.
only its not 1% and its not your family, (but hey it hasn't been "proved" and i don't know any jews, so why should i care?)

[well seeing as the developed world is going to hit an epic population crisis, every country will be looking after its own, military strength will be vastly re-distributed to those countries with "youth" bubbles. it may just be your country that gets invaded, and your family that gets killed, after all if half of china floods, and china needs more land, and there are some tasty bits of japan left, bye bye Japan. USA too busy looking after itself to help you now]

"WE DO NOT INHERIT THE EARTH FROM OUR PARENTS, WE BORROW IT FROM OUR CHILDREN"

[WhoIsDaffy]

Originally Posted by WhoIsDaffy

for a start.
The term "global warming" is a bit of a misnomer.
again, weather is a deeply complex beast. this must be understood.
its not simple. its complex.

right now alot of ice is melting, due to warmer atmosphere,
large chunks of ice, there was one the size of india not too long ago,
float south, and then make the ambient sea temperature of the north atlantic colder.

ho hum, oxfordshire 2 degrees warmer than the south pole.

[CarleyGee]

I never believed in Global Warming ever since I heard of it.
They can call it whatever it wants. The earth is doing it's own thing,
whether it was caused by people or not ( most likely not) .

[Ryzorian]

Plus I'm going to drive what ever I want. It isn't a 1.1 either, although I doubt it's much past 2. The point is, I will live how I wish/can afford to. Isn't that what everyone gets upset at the US for? telling everyone what to do and how to live? Doesn't seem to stop anyone else trying to pull and "America" and tell everyone what type of cars to drive.

[Sangetsu]

How do you like the weather we are having lately? The summer of 2009 was quite cool, and in some parts of the world it was the coolest since temperature measurements began. This winter is turning out to be a record-breaker too.

But, according to the weather models which the UN and the IPCC spent billions of dollars developing, this cold weather should not be occurring. According the the IPCC, world temperatures should have been warmer. The world's average temperature for 2009 negated nearly all of the global warming which occurred in the last century. Yes, that's right, if the temperatures of 2008/2009 are figured into the world's average temperatures for the last century, then it means that there will have been no global warming.

The UK's Met office had predicted that 2010 would be the hottest year in history, but how could they be wrong? They have a staff of 1500, a supercomputer for developing climate models, and taxpayer funding of 170 million pounds per year. Interestingly enough, the Met office had predicted each of the last 3 years would be warmer than the previous year, when the opposite actually happened. The Met office predicted a much warmer than normal winter for this year, and instead the UK gets one of the coldest winters in memory. But of course, the taxpayer-funded Met office is led by Robert Napier, a global warming activist and former head of the WWF.

We have been told regularly that greenhouse gases cause global warming, and even global warming skeptics agree that "greenhouse" gases have been increasing each year. But global warming hasn't. The only obvious fact that can derived from this is that greenhouse gases may not really be greenhouse gases, or that their real influence on the world's climate is much smaller than what some originally thought.

Another interesting fact is that the head of the IPCC panel on Climate Change is Dr Rajendra Pachauri. Dr Pachauri is not a meteorologist or a climatologist, he is a railroad engineer. At one time he was on the board of directors of the Indian Oil Corporation. Since leaving Indian Oil, he is now on the board of directors of an alternative energy company based in India.

It's no wonder that Dr Pachauri is such a advocate of global warming. Had a binding agreement been reached in Copenhagen, India would have received untold billions of dollars in aid (as India is considered a "developing" country) to use for developing alternate energy. As a director of India's largest alternative energy companies, Dr Pachauri would have profited immensely.

Many of you here may have used information on Wikipedia to learn more about global warming. Unfortunately, the information on Wikipedia is not objective. Much of what is written about global warming on Wikipedia was re-written or edited by a man called William Connelley. William Connelley is a a green party activist, and a member of an organization called realclimate.org.

"Connolley took control of all things climate in the most used information source the world has ever known – Wikipedia. Starting in February 2003, just when opposition to the claims of the band members were beginning to gel, Connolley set to work on the Wikipedia site. He rewrote Wikipedia’s articles on global warming, on the greenhouse effect, on the instrumental temperature record, on the urban heat island, on climate models, on global cooling. On Feb. 14, he began to erase the Little Ice Age; on Aug.11, the Medieval Warm Period. In October, he turned his attention to the hockey stick graph. He rewrote articles on the politics of global warming and on the scientists who were skeptical of the band. Richard Lindzen and Fred Singer, two of the world’s most distinguished climate scientists, were among his early targets, followed by others that the band especially hated, such as Willie Soon and Sallie Baliunas of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, authorities on the Medieval Warm Period.

All told, Connolley created or rewrote 5,428 unique Wikipedia articles. His control over Wikipedia was greater still, however, through the role he obtained at Wikipedia as a website administrator, which allowed him to act with virtual impunity. When Connolley didn’t like the subject of a certain article, he removed it — more than 500 articles of various descriptions disappeared at his hand. When he disapproved of the arguments that others were making, he often had them barred — over 2,000 Wikipedia contributors who ran afoul of him found themselves blocked from making further contributions. Acolytes whose writing conformed to Connolley’s global warming views, in contrast, were rewarded with Wikipedia’s blessings. In these ways, Connolley turned Wikipedia into the missionary wing of the global warming movement.

The Medieval Warm Period disappeared, as did criticism of the global warming orthodoxy. With the release of the Climategate Emails, the disappearing trick has been exposed."

[Salvanas]

It's bloody freezing in the UK at this current moment, we're having the coldest winter in around 10 years, and we're told that we're not to judge Global Warming by this.

What a load of bull. They're running out of ideas to keep us hooked onto this silly idea.

The thing I hate the most, is that they're brainwashing kids from the young age of 12, to believe that the world will die if they don't turn off the lights every night. There is an advert on English television, which has a father, sitting down with his daughter in bed, and telling her a bed time story, of UK flooding and all the animals drowning because of not turning off the light.

Such things sicken me. Brainwashing children is the most disgusting thing you can do.

[Sangetsu]

Originally Posted by WhoIsDaffy

for a start.
The term "global warming" is a bit of a misnomer.
again, weather is a deeply complex beast. this must be understood.
its not simple. its complex.

right now alot of ice is melting, due to warmer atmosphere,
large chunks of ice, there was one the size of india not too long ago,
float south, and then make the ambient sea temperature of the north atlantic colder.

Japan is the meeting point between warm and cold currents, however if there is ice melting into the cold current then that cold current will become less saline (salty)
it is this difference in saline levels as well as the difference in sea levels that largely drives the currents.

however year on year there is less see ice between Russia and Alaska,
Temperature is not the only thing that effects the ocean,
your looking at things like density, oxygenation, and saline levels etc.
as saline levels have a major effect on the currents hitting japan, and these currents in turn have a major effect on japans weather,
after all Japan is on the same latitude as spain, it does not snow in spain.

even earthquakes and other sisemic events can have short term impacts on ocean currents.

It is only out of ignorance that you can say:
nuh its not getting warmer, its all a scam

Plane Stupid Polar Bear Ad - iViewTube.com

consider the following:
somewhere in France 1992
little one: "what did you do during WW2 grandad?"
old man: "nothing, i just carried on living my life as normal"
LO : "what!? did you not care about all the people being killed in concentration camps?"
OM: "well at the time there was no hard evidence, infact according to the Germans it was all made up"
LO : "you looser grandad, johnny's grandad was a partisan - hes so much cooler than you"

===
"WE DO NOT INHERIT THE EARTH FROM OUR PARENTS, WE BORROW IT FROM OUR CHILDREN"

you are not being asked to do that much!

thats what takes the piss.
if everyone made minor changes to everyday things it can be done.
no one is asking you to live in a tent and eat only lentils.

nobody says stop driving your car,
but perhaps instead of buying one with a 4.0 litre engine why not get one with a 2.0 litre engine which will go just as fast,
or even a little 1.1 after all unless your in germany you have no need to go faster than 80MPH

or if you drive less than 100 miles per day, get an electric car, its cheaper and faster

switch electronics off instead of using stand-by

if its all a farce then all you have done is save yourself money
but if its not, at least you can tell your grandchildren that you did your part.
and that the reason the climate is f**ked is because of ignorant fools who had thier head in the sands.

- Russia is trying to muddy climate change reports eh?
-hmm i wonder what the main export of russia, that pretty much the entire russian economy is built upon is.
oh yea, oil and gas.
-also its worth noting that if you look at what is likely to happen Russia will actually come out of climate change in a strong position.

when you consider whats at stake, the billions of lives that are at stake in the 3rd world
is it really that much to ask?
what if it was your life?
the life of your family?

just because its outside of your monkey-sphere does not mean you should act like a primitive.

so if you had the choice,
curb greenhouse gasses (and save money), or there will be a 1% chance your children and parents and rest of your family will be killed.

would you gamble?
even at 1%?
because if you chose to believe big-oil propoganda, thats what your doing.
only its not 1% and its not your family, (but hey it hasn't been "proved" and i don't know any jews, so why should i care?)

[well seeing as the developed world is going to hit an epic population crisis, every country will be looking after its own, military strength will be vastly re-distributed to those countries with "youth" bubbles. it may just be your country that gets invaded, and your family that gets killed, after all if half of china floods, and china needs more land, and there are some tasty bits of japan left, bye bye Japan. USA too busy looking after itself to help you now]

"WE DO NOT INHERIT THE EARTH FROM OUR PARENTS, WE BORROW IT FROM OUR CHILDREN"

Nice picture, but who is to blame for the hungry baby? Is it the fault of the evil rich Americans? Or is it the fault of the 14 year old mother who got pregnant when she couldn't even feed herself? How many more children do you think she will have after this one? What are the odds that she'll be a grandmother before 30 (being the average life expectancy in central Africa is only 34)? And, if this hungry baby survives, how many children will it have?

[noodle]

Originally Posted by Salvanas

The thing I hate the most, is that they're brainwashing kids from the young age of 12, to believe that the world will die if they don't turn off the lights every night.

They started teaching me about it in Primary School. I don't remember much of my first year in England cos I didn't speak English, but I remember them teaching us about the Greenhouse Effect at the age of 8. From there, the more we understood, the more they told us it's our fault!

[manganimefan227]

So is there anything we can do to stop Global Warming?