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01-11-2010, 03:34 AM

In a word.......NO, you can't.


However, you ou can stop pollution and that sort of thing but Global warming itself is a cyclical thing that happen's every 500 years or so and CAN'T BE STOPPED. Don't let these "green house" guys confuse you.

Britian used to be far warmer in the 1500's than it is now, or has been in the last 100 years, that's fact not fiction. It's in the geologic records. This whole thing is just a lame power extortion skeem, cooked up by quasi communists, who want to controle global politics.
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01-11-2010, 04:32 AM

. . .Ok thank you, Have a nice day O.O
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So is there anything we can do to stop Global Warming?
You can't stop something that never started, can you? There has been no abnormal warming over the last century.

Satellite pictures of England a few days ago showed the entire country covered with snow, it looked just like the North Pole, or Antarctica. Strangely enough, the weather in the American plains states was actually colder than the weather at either of the poles. Do you still think global warming is occurring?
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So is there anything we can do to stop Global Warming?
There are things we can do to make the world a better place, and that is what I think we need to concentrate on.

In a way this argument that "Global warming is a natural process and not related the the actions of man" (true or not) has led to this notion that "I can do nothing to making the world a healthier place", and nothing could be further from the truth.

You can help reduce your carbon footprint and help make the world a healthier place in many ways. Doing these things is good and helps make the world a better place.
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01-11-2010, 10:05 AM

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In a way this argument that "Global warming is a natural process and not related the the actions of man" (true or not) has led to this notion that "I can do nothing to making the world a healthier place", and nothing could be further from the truth.
I don't think that's true... Most of us that say Global Warming isn't manmade do not deny the fact that pollution exists and that we are destroying the planet in other ways. I disagree with Manmade global warming, but that doesn't stop me from recycling, using less electricity, picking up a piece of trash that I see on the ground etc.

I think the people it leads to not caring about their actions are the people that just disagree with Global Warming to "stick it to the man", so to say!
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I don't think that's true... Most of us that say Global Warming isn't manmade do not deny the fact that pollution exists and that we are destroying the planet in other ways. I disagree with Manmade global warming, but that doesn't stop me from recycling, using less electricity, picking up a piece of trash that I see on the ground etc.

I think the people it leads to not caring about their actions are the people that just disagree with Global Warming to "stick it to the man", so to say!
But there are people...vocal and tend to be right-wing...that like to equate what they are calling the lie of Global Warming with man's inability to affect the world we live in. This is baloney. Just because we are not a volcano does not mean the actions we take do not affect our environment.
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But there are people...vocal and tend to be right-wing...that like to equate what they are calling the lie of Global Warming with man's inability to affect the world we live in. This is baloney. Just because we are not a volcano does not mean the actions we take do not affect our environment.
Ah, well, I don't know anything about any Right-Wing. Over here, it seems 99.999% of people agree that Global Warming is our fault, the very few that don't agree with it, do however agree that we're destroying our planet in other ways.
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01-11-2010, 07:24 PM

"From Miami to Maine, Savannah to Seattle, America is caught in an icy grip that one of the U.N.'s top global warming proponents says could mark the beginning of a mini ice age.

Oranges are freezing and millions of tropical fish are dying in Florida, and it could be just the beginning of a decades-long deep freeze, says Professor Mojib Latif, one of the world's leading climate modelers.

Latif thinks the cold snap Americans have been suffering through is only the beginning. He says we're in for 30 years of cooler temperatures -- a mini ice age, he calls it, basing his theory on an analysis of natural cycles in water temperatures in the world's oceans.

Latif, a professor at the Leibniz Institute at Germany's Kiel University and an author of the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report, believes the lengthy cold weather is merely a pause -- a 30-years-long blip -- in the larger cycle of global warming, which postulates that temperatures will rise rapidly over the coming years.

At a U.N. conference in September, Latif said that changes in ocean currents known as the North Atlantic Oscillation could dominate over manmade global warming for the next few decades. Latif said the fluctuations in these currents could also be responsible for much of the rise in global temperatures seen over the past 30 years.

Latif is a key member of the UN's climate research arm, which has long promoted the concept of global warming. He told the Daily Mail that "a significant share of the warming we saw from 1980 to 2000 and at earlier periods in the 20th Century was due to these cycles -- perhaps as much as 50 percent."

According to the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center in Colorado, the warming of the Earth since 1900 is due to natural oceanic cycles, and not man-made greenhouse gases. The agency also reports that Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, since 2007.

Many parts of the world have been suffering through record-setting snowfalls and arctic temperatures. The Midwest saw wind chills as low as 49 degrees below zero last week, while Europe saw snows so heavy that Eurostar train service and air travel were canceled across much of the continent. In Asia, Beijing was hit by its heaviest snowfall in 60 years."
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Burn that coal baby.
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I have noticed that all those who say that man is not responsible for global warming (or even worse that its not happening [shag yer sister much?] ) talk as if the climate is a system that follows newtonian physics.

it does not!

it is a system complex to the Nth degree and one that confirms and proves chaos theory

(if you think you know what chaos theory is but dont actually know, then chances are what you think is wrong)

to give you a simpe example of the dif. between newtonian and chaos systems

in newton
I have a line that is 10 long, i add one. my line is now 11 long
after 90 steps i have a line 100 long

in chaos (and nature)
i have a line that is 10 long, add one and i still get a line 11 long
however
after 90 steps, i dont have a line 100 long, i have a green triangle.

chaos relies on what is known as feedback,
there is a nice example of Video Feedback here:
Most Trippy Video Feedback Spaced Out Mesmerizing Colors - Video

see how in the centre of the screen, the colours, shapes and movements have no direct correlation to what the hand is doing?

feedback means that a small change can have a big and unpredictable effect
this is sometimes refered to as "the Butterfly effect"
(a butterfly flapping its wings in brazil causes a tornado in Texas)

weather and climate is a chaos system, that means that though the atmosphere is becoming more energetic (getting warmer), that does not mean the immediate and localised effect is it getting gradually hotter (as newton would have us think)
if this were the case, then using modern satelite and computer technology we would be able to predict the weather accuratly on a minute by minute resolution for the next 1000+ years!

a video i recomend you watch is here:
Cambridge University - CamTV - Video and Audio - Chaos and Fractals: Predicting the Unpredictable (Part 1) with Michael Thompson
part 2 is here
Cambridge University - CamTV - Video and Audio - Chaos and Fractals: Predicting the Unpredictable (Part 2) with Michael Thompson
this will explain chaos theory to you.

once you have an understanding of chaos theory (and hopefully watched the vid)
you will understand that the sudden and almost world wide cold snaps actually show that global warming/climate change is happening. - if you dont have that understanding then you dont understand chaos, and probably didnt watch the vid.

now, as i mentioned earlier (and has been proven) that in a chaos system a small input can have a large and unpredictable output.
however it should be understood that the change of atmospheric compesition is by no means a small input.
we are the largest net producer of greenhouse gasses (FACT)
thus any change to the climate (output) due to thermodynamic changes of the earths atmosphere and oceans, caused by the release of greenhouse gasses (input) is because of man. as we are creating the afore mentioned input into the chaos driven weather system that is our climate.

also some people blame volcano's for global warming (did you get that fact from the OPEC website?)
well for a start volcanic erruptions have an overall cooling effect on the atmosphere, and all volcanic activity in the world is responsible for just under 1% of all CO2 (thats alot less than man, and also volcano's dont release methane, which humans (via cattle) do and is alot more "greenhouse" that CO2)

now to adress another issue / fatal flaw in opposition theory
a familiar quote
"nuh there was a mini ice age before its all a cycle"

erm, no.
if you understand chaos theory (again - thats what the climate is)
you will not need me to explain why you cannot use past results to make predictions on future events/outcomes/output of a chaos system.
after all: look at the double pendulum (the most simple and basic chaos system there is). if you were to look at the previous 1000 swings you would still not be able to predict the next one, let alone the next 10.

hopefully this post will have explained the non-science behind anti-global warming propoganda.
which uses newtonian models even though they dont apply.

unfortunatly i'm not going to explain the geo-political reasons why we still use hydrocarbons to this day,
and there is no single little vid or link i know to post.
so instead i will encoursge you to ask the following questions.

why do we use hydrocarbons (which pollute), when we could use hydrogen (which does not pollute)?
why do we use hydrocarbons, which are found in a finite number of places, when we could use hydrogen which is the most common element in the universe?
why do we put our economic security (through energy security) into the hands of Russia and other OPEC nations, some of whom have traditionally been "our enemies?" when we can produce more than enough hydrogen within our own country (every country) and be almost completely self sufficent in terms of energy?
why do we spend triilions on securing sources of and getting acces to oil, transporting and cracking/refining crude oil, when we could produce hydrogen locally at a fraction of the cost?

call me a cynic but i think money may have something to do with it
2009 shell profits £2.5 million per hour
2009 BP profits £1.38 million per hour
2009 Exxon profits $4.1 million per hour
etc. etc.

numbers like that kinda put the whole "global warming is a conspiracy to make money" argument to rest.
infact chances are that in the time that it took you to read this.
exxon made another $134,000 clear profit (assuming it took you 2 minutes)

not only is our reliance on oil making these companies huge amounts of money, it also gives them control.
they can decide how much your food, clothes and even water costs you.

don't be blind, don't believe the con.
its time to look further than the end of your nose.

=meh=
if you still don't understand climate change and how we are causing this.
i suggest you give up and just live your life:
you can click here
Entertainment Celebrity News Fashion Celebrities Hilary Rhoda Culture and Lifestyle - SI Vault
and enjoy the beauty of nature while it lasts
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