"She had it coming."

[Ryzorian]

Yes, there is certainly cultural influence involved. However, if you dress like a prostitute, don't be surrprized if you are treated like one. It's commen sense there, treat a dog to bite, it will bite.

Had a case in Florida I believe, where a woman was raped at a bar. She was wearing nothing but a fishnet when she went there and was danceing on the pool table suggestively before hand. The judge threw the rape charge out on the same premise, "she asked for it". I suppose one has to ask wether a girl is "reveling" in her sexiness or flaunting her "wares", when she dresses a certain way. Afterall, if a girl goes into a Chip'N Dales,she expects the men there dress like strippers, because they are.

Males in general will act like pigs if they aren't taught well from birth, it isn't just American men who act like pigs, many nations have that problem. Burqa anyone?

I do agree that American males have declined in manners for the last few decades, I blame poor parenting and schools for teaching them they aren't anything more than smart apes, so it's no wonder they act like apes. Remeber the rape of a girl by 10, while 20 watched? Took place on a school ground.

If you want men to behave like boyscouts, you have to train then that way.
If you want women to behave as chaste maidens, you have to train them that way as well, it's a two way street here.

[JasonTakeshi]

I live in Portugal, a generally Catholic country. In a country where if you wear a mini-skirt to the point of showing your buttcheeks, you will be considered, by the majority, a slut.
But why if you wear a mini-skirt, to the point of showing your buttcheeks, would the majority consider you a slut? Because they were programmed, since they were born, according to the society's believes/concepts/and whatnot.

Same happens if you dress all black. People from my country, generally speaking, will call you a Goth/Satanist/Metal-head/Punk. They will Stereotype you that way. Why? Because they were programmed, since they were born, according to the society's believes/concepts/and whatnot.

If the society dictates that people dressing yellow means they are murderes, the majority will see people dressing yellow as murderes.

So, society molds the individual, generally speaking. Thats the only way i can put it out.

[Salvanas]

Originally Posted by MMM

It's fashion, Salvanas. They dress to get attention, to be more fashionable than the girl next to them. The big bleached hair...the garish makeup...the miniskirts. It's all about attention, and even to them it isn't really about sexuality, despite what male eyes see.

So I completely disagree with you here.

The attention is majorly male. YES, they get female attention aswell, but the majority of the attention comes from male.

You can make a fashion statement without looking like a slut. If they choose to make a fashion statement in that sort of way, then I'm sure they can live with the consequences of their idiocy.

Remember, it is a different culture from (most of) ours, so remember you are looking at it through the lens of your own culture...glasses you cannot take off.

As I said before.

"I understand and respect your right to have a culture. However, I do not agree with the culture."

We know it's a cultural thing. That's obvious.

But just because it's a culture, it doesn't make it right in the person's eyes. So, just because it's a cultural thing, I'm not going to sit back, and not say anything.

[Happykitsune]

It's like Steve Ward says. "Don't show what you don't have to offer" (or something to that affect)

Do I think that means girls deserve to get raped because they show their skin? No. Guys can be self controlled enough to not go there. It's the ones you see raping the girls who have no self control and aren't okay in the head.
And if girls decide that they want to date these animals and show off skin then they are asking for it.

That's why I think it's a good idea for all women to take self-defense classes so that if they want to dress like this and be insecure and get men with skin instead of their personalities they can at least defend themselves.

Remember girls, even if you have on heels you can still do a lot of damage. Once their down just kick and stomp.... and then take their wallet :P

[Happykitsune]

Originally Posted by iPhantom

This guy talks like he's touching a girl's body for the first time.

Anyway, I disagree. Like Salvanas said, if you dress like a slut, you'll get that kind of treatment. Otherwise, why would you want to wear like a slut?

I agree. Don't dress the part if you can't own up to it.

I cover up and I still get a lot of guys attention. It's called personality

[IamKira]

it is in the end, all left up to the individual to exercise the appropriate amount of self restraint.. if you as a person are view the probability that you will end up going to court from sexual harassment charges from touching the girls ass and assign correct negative utility from that experience and weigh it with the utility you get from touching the girls ass you will know if it is what you should do or not..
I have fantasized about rape more than a few times, and i like the prospect of having younger girls because it is forbidden, put two and two together and you have it
that being said, i would never EVER ever in a million years act on any of these impulses because the sanctions posed against me if i were caught and the probability i would get caught, along with the regret i'd have afterwards outweigh any enjoyment i would claim from the act, and by a HUGE margin

thus, everything that happens, it all comes down to the courts- and it is such that everything that happens to the guys and girls who act in sexually eccentric manners deserve what they get.. it's part of the game we play baby.. play the system accordingly or get out.. which i what i plan on doing asap

[MMM]

Originally Posted by JayT

And no, MMM. I was following up on jins statement if 'someone were to touch her' not rape. If a girl works at a strip club and doesn't expect to get touched then she's working in the wrong industry.

As a rule (and law, depending on the state) you are not allowed to touch a stripper.

Being a stripper doesn't make you a slut. Having sex with lots of guys does.

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Yes, there is certainly cultural influence involved. However, if you dress like a prostitute, don't be surrprized if you are treated like one. It's commen sense there, treat a dog to bite, it will bite.

That is a culturally biased perspective. In some cultures dressing with your ankle exposed would be the same as "dressing like a prostitute".

These women are not seen as prostitutes, are not trying to dress like prostitutes, and are not out to get raped.

If you see them as dressing like prostitutes that is because you are seeing them through the lens of your culture.

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Males in general will act like pigs if they aren't taught well from birth, it isn't just American men who act like pigs, many nations have that problem. Burqa anyone?

Why does every topic end up about Americans in some negative light.

It stupid that I would even have to defend American men in a thread about Japanese women.

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

I do agree that American males have declined in manners for the last few decades, I blame poor parenting and schools for teaching them they aren't anything more than smart apes, so it's no wonder they act like apes. Remeber the rape of a girl by 10, while 20 watched? Took place on a school ground.

If you want men to behave like boyscouts, you have to train then that way.
If you want women to behave as chaste maidens, you have to train them that way as well, it's a two way street here.

What is you basis for saying that? There are twice as many rapes in Canada as there are in the US per capita. Why aren't we talking about what pigs Canadian men are? Almost four times as many rapes per capita in South Africa. But no...it's the American men that are pigs.

Originally Posted by Salvanas

"I understand and respect your right to have a culture. However, I do not agree with the culture."

We know it's a cultural thing. That's obvious.

But just because it's a culture, it doesn't make it right in the person's eyes. So, just because it's a cultural thing, I'm not going to sit back, and not say anything.

It also doesn't make it wrong, just because it doesn't line up with what your culture says.

Originally Posted by Happykitsune

I agree. Don't dress the part if you can't own up to it.

I cover up and I still get a lot of guys attention. It's called personality

So much judging going on. I give up. Have you people even spent time in Japan? How can you say so much about a culture you barely understand?
Seriously.

[Salvanas]

It also doesn't make it wrong, just because it doesn't line up with what your culture says.

Actually, it's not my culture. It's my view on sexuality. My culture has a point on it, but not a huge amount at all.

I live in England, MMM. My culture is fairly free with that sort of thing. My opinion, says it's wrong.

So much judging going on. I give up. Have you people even spent time in Japan? How can you say so much about a culture you barely understand?
Seriously.

Who said anything about Japan?

This is the general forum. It's in general. Don't jump to conclusions.

[ozkai]

Originally Posted by Salvanas

Actually, it's not my culture. It's my view on sexuality. My culture has a point on it, but not a huge amount at all.

I live in England, MMM. My culture is fairly free with that sort of thing. My opinion, says it's wrong.



Who said anything about Japan?

This is the general forum. It's in general. Don't jump to conclusions.

Emotions aside, I think Japanese girls have the image of wearing short skirts, even more so with first hand evidence that people have resided long term in the country.

[darksyndrem]

I love how Mercedes isn't even in here.....This is rare.