Is "Tentai" a Japanese First name?

[Nyororin]

Originally Posted by JasonTakeshi

@Nyororin:

That's why i'm saying society needs to be more tolerant.

An individual name does not change the individual capacities. Yet, it changes his opportunities. (regarding this imaginary case)

How can you be so sure of this?
I DO believe it would have an effect on the individual capabilities. The name will not suddenly appear the day he gets his medical degree - it will be there ALL his life. He would have been treated differently for it through his entire life, and opportunities along the way may have been closed because of that name. There may be learning chances that he was passed over on because of his name - or which he passed on himself because of the name (embarassment).

I once knew a girl in Japan whose was here on study from Mexico - and her last name was Baca. I don`t think she took a single extra course and avoided field trips and any other occasion that might bring attention to her name. She avoided talking to Japanese people, and kept her head low through the stay. She lost a lot of opportunities because of it, and it was a foreign name that people were understanding about once they realized this...

She passed the course... But that doesn`t mean that her skills at the end were anywhere near those who had been taking all the opportunities available to them.

[manganimefan227]

While we're on the subject . . .

Natsumi means summer beauty, Heavenly body doesn't sound right apparently, So does Natsumi sound right?

[Columbine]

Originally Posted by manganimefan227

While we're on the subject . . .

Natsumi means summer beauty, Heavenly body doesn't sound right apparently, So does Natsumi sound right?

Yes, because it's a recognized name and to the listener doesn't actually literally mean 'summer beauty'. Suppose I said ' I know one of the Pinchbeck's sons' to you? Would you automatically think, "ah yes, a type of silver"? No, because it's a name and it doesn't directly hold that kind of semantic information.
I mean, you'd never use the same 'Natsumi' 夏美 to describe the beauty of summer as a noun. It would probably more like 'Natsu no mi' at the least.

Thinking of it the other way, it's the same as trying to say 'Diana is a princess, 'Sarah' means princess, therefore, Diana is a Sarah."

But Tentai literally means 'heavenly body' and as far as most people are concerned, it doesn't carry any other kind of meaning. That's why it sounds weird when you put it in a name situation.

[JasonTakeshi]

Originally Posted by Nyororin

How can you be so sure of this?
I DO believe it would have an effect on the individual capabilities. The name will not suddenly appear the day he gets his medical degree - it will be there ALL his life. He would have been treated differently for it through his entire life, and opportunities along the way may have been closed because of that name. There may be learning chances that he was passed over on because of his name - or which he passed on himself because of the name (embarassment).

I once knew a girl in Japan whose was here on study from Mexico - and her last name was Baca. I don`t think she took a single extra course and avoided field trips and any other occasion that might bring attention to her name. She avoided talking to Japanese people, and kept her head low through the stay. She lost a lot of opportunities because of it, and it was a foreign name that people were understanding about once they realized this...

She passed the course... But that doesn`t mean that her skills at the end were anywhere near those who had been taking all the opportunities available to them.

Capacities, for me, its the act of percieving things through our senses, and consequencialy the way we process them in our brain.

I belive that our "capacities" starts when we born, and we will use them to aquire "knownledge".

The way the "sensorial knownledge" is aquired, for me, it wont change. Its through capacities. And NOT by anything exterior to it.

Therefore, "Astronomical" capacities wouldn't change even if he actually skipped/ or w/e- that opportunities. The only consequence would be "less sensorial knownledge" - which doesnt mean less capacities.

It seems like we have some divergencies regarding the meaning of "human capacities".

Its pointless to continue, i suppose.

[Nyororin]

Originally Posted by JasonTakeshi

Capacities, for me, its the act of percieving things through our senses, and consequencialy the way we process them in our brain.

I belive that our "capacities" starts when we born, and we will use them to aquire "knownledge".

The way the "sensorial knownledge" is aquired, for me, it wont change. Its through capacities. And NOT by anything exterior to it.

Therefore, "Astronomical" capacities wouldn't change even if he actually skipped/ or w/e- that opportunities. The only consequence would be "less sensorial knownledge" - which doesnt mean less capacities.

It seems like we have some divergencies regarding the meaning of "human capacities".

Its pointless to continue, i suppose.

Capacity is potential. Think of a bucket that has a capacity of 5 liters. The bucket starts empty or close to it. There are a limited number of opportunities to add water to that bucket - but we don`t use all the opportunities and end up with a 5 liter bucket holding only 2.5 liters... Even though the capacity is the same - the potential to hold 5 liters is there - the bucket will be holding less than even the 3 liter buckets that used all the opportunities.

Even if Astronomical were born with very high IQ, and a high "capacity" for learning... If they do not have the opportunities available to them in life to actually make USE of their potential - they will end up behind. If capacity alone controlled the outcome, there would be little use for school at all - we`d all just pick up things based on "our senses".

I wouldn`t want a doctor who had great potential - I`d want one who actually filled their capacity (so to speak).

I knew a girl (a few years younger than me) whose name was Candy, her sister Sugar. Everyone joked that they sounded like a porn star names. They were smart, from a good family, etc... What Candy is now? An "exotic dancer". Sugar ended up on the streets.

Your name does have a very strong effect on where you end up in life.

[manganimefan227]

Originally Posted by Columbine

Yes, because it's a recognized name and to the listener doesn't actually literally mean 'summer beauty'. Suppose I said ' I know one of the Pinchbeck's sons' to you? Would you automatically think, "ah yes, a type of silver"? No, because it's a name and it doesn't directly hold that kind of semantic information.
I mean, you'd never use the same 'Natsumi' 夏美 to describe the beauty of summer as a noun. It would probably more like 'Natsu no mi' at the least.

Thinking of it the other way, it's the same as trying to say 'Diana is a princess, 'Sarah' means princess, therefore, Diana is a Sarah."

But Tentai literally means 'heavenly body' and as far as most people are concerned, it doesn't carry any other kind of meaning. That's why it sounds weird when you put it in a name situation.

-Nods head- That makes sense, Thank you for clearing that up

[JasonTakeshi]

Originally Posted by Nyororin

Capacity is potential. Think of a bucket that has a capacity of 5 liters. The bucket starts empty or close to it. There are a limited number of opportunities to add water to that bucket - but we don`t use all the opportunities and end up with a 5 liter bucket holding only 2.5 liters... Even though the capacity is the same - the potential to hold 5 liters is there - the bucket will be holding less than even the 3 liter buckets that used all the opportunities.

Even if Astronomical were born with very high IQ, and a high "capacity" for learning... If they do not have the opportunities available to them in life to actually make USE of their potential - they will end up behind. If capacity alone controlled the outcome, there would be little use for school at all - we`d all just pick up things based on "our senses".

I wouldn`t want a doctor who had great potential - I`d want one who actually filled their capacity (so to speak).

I knew a girl (a few years younger than me) whose name was Candy, her sister Sugar. Everyone joked that they sounded like a porn star names. They were smart, from a good family, etc... What Candy is now? An "exotic dancer". Sugar ended up on the streets.

Your name does have a very strong effect on where you end up in life.

And like I've said, "Astronomical" would only end up with "less sensorial knownledge". Nothing else, and nothing more.

Our divergences here also points to social structure. In general sense, social institutions and norms become embedded into social systems in such a way that they shape the behavior of actors within those social systems. - Unfortunatly.

You think that the "5 liters bucket" could be fullfilled to nearly 5 liters if he wasn't named "Astronomical", instead of nearly 3 liters "limit".

I dont think we should even fullfill 1/5 of it. Call it Mysantrophy, Racionalism, or stupidity. But i dont really think that we can archieve the true "shape" of knownledge within our "sensorial human reality". - Yes, im agnostic.

Thats why i dont even think he should make use of those 2.5/5 capacities, because he isn't going to archieve the true "shape" of knownledge because hes within the "sensorial human reality".

Therefore, for me, any "knownledge/concept" created upon this "sensorial human reality", (creating concepts through the process of captation of information through our senses that are processed in our brain and in consequence creates concepts) is questionable/uncertain.

I doubt that we can archieve the true "shape" of knownledge within this reality.


PS: I guess i went a little bit "off-convo", but i wanted you to know that we have different perspectives ragarding alot of things mentioning in the convo.

PSS: Yes, you can throw at my face that im living within this "sensorial reality" and that i cant do much about it as a unit, and therefore, should stick with its "norms" and "rules".

PSSS: Yes, im such an hipocrit and ironic person. Im agnostic, and yet im on the university studying and learning the "human sensorial knownledge/concepts". How pitty.

[hitotsz]

Originally Posted by Nyororin

But I have yet to meet a single person with a very strange name who was actually happy about it.

What were the names?

[hitotsz]

I knew a girl (a few years younger than me) whose name was Candy, her sister Sugar. Everyone joked that they sounded like a porn star names. They were smart, from a good family, etc... What Candy is now? An "exotic dancer". Sugar ended up on the streets.

Your name does have a very strong effect on where you end up in life.

What should you name your child if you want them to live a virtuous life?