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01-03-2010, 12:49 PM
Whether this is fake news or not (no source cited) I still think the US should pull out of every foreign base and let the world burn if it happens. Japan seems to have a cultural fetish with self annihilation, so if there is a conflict apocalypse someday, it would be nice to see how Japan reacted alone to an object like N. Korea going out in a blaze of glory if it came to that. The only reason the US cares at all about Japan is precisely to have a local interest in the area against N. Korea. The same reason US cares about Israel in the middle east. Leave all bases, America. Let the global political forest burn naturally. Trying to stop it will only cause more pain. Btw, I'm not the USA's biggest fan, but America-hate is so 2005.
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01-04-2010, 11:47 AM
the US will never give up its Japanese base.
it is the hub/springboard for all US operations in Asia (including Russia). the US have a right to have thier bases in Japan, just as in Germany. these are the risks assiosated with attempted global domination, a risk the warring party's would have been aware of at the time. you cant gamble and then cry when you lose. its a "secret" protocol because there really is no choice in the matter for the Japanese gov. however to apease local populations, to empower the J gov. and allow it to "save face" the USA makes it apear that the J gov. has some kind of input. it has none. the US base security will respond to any attempt to take the base by force, with force, and thus to do so would be akin to declaring open war with the US. (not a good idea at the best of times, even more so if you dont have an army) thus force is out of the question. leaving only the political option. and as Japan does not carry any political wieght with the US (as this is primarily done by commiting troops to US wars - and even then.......) the only hope for Japan would be China. if china were to put on enough political pressure then the base could possibly be reduced with the nuclear arsenal removed. however Japan and China don't get on all that well (as Japan refuses to Apologise for WW2 war crimes [and were looking at stuff that made nazi death camps look like holiday camps, e.g. unit 731 , POW mistreatment and executions , imperial army bayonet training (on live chinese prisoners tied to stakes] ) Unfortunatluy for the Japanese PM it is not so simple, in order to maintain popularity with the largly nationalistic voter base (and keep his job) he must be seen to save the national face, and defend national pride. an apology would be an admission of guilt, an admision that the whole thing was one big f*ckup, something that would enrage senior voters (and OAP's have the highest %age of turnout when it comes to elections) so even though the majority of "youth" in Japan would be able to accept an apology from the J PM, the proportion of those that actually vote would not. thus it is a complex balancing act the Japanese PM must play. China needs to be apeased, but too much and you lose power. i would not want his job, thats for sure
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01-04-2010, 11:49 AM
Welcome back, Daffy.
 The eternal Saint is calling, through the ages she has told. The ages have not listened; the will of faith has grown old…
For forever she will wander, for forever she withholds; the Demon King is on his way, you’d best not be learned untold…
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01-04-2010, 04:30 PM
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I don't welcome Daffy back. He gets banned for trash-talking the Japanese culture and a certain Japanese member. And what's the first thing he does when he's back from his way-too-short a ban? The exact same! Three of my best friends on JF have left here because of the racist war-monger WhoIsDaffy. That's like the majority of the active Japanese members. I'm about to leave here myself. The real world (Japan for me) is far more comfortable.
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01-04-2010, 05:29 PM
The world is not such a simple place.
only the most inept of fools think this way (mentioning no names at all *ahem *cough *cough  )perhaps if one took information from some more informative sources such as Home | Foreign Affairs and its sister site Council on Foreign Relations to name but one of many, that i check on a daily basis, one would have at least a basic understanding of the motivations and tides that drive geo-politics, and thus effect ones own domestic politics, and ultimatly the lives, freedoms and prospects of the individual.
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01-04-2010, 05:34 PM
Japan has a parliamentary system, so as cold as it may sound, the PM doesn't really worry about what the voters think of him, as he is not elected by the people, but by his party. They are the ones he has to appease.
These are sensitive issues, so let's keep the personal attacks off the table. I don't want to have to kill another thread because the adults in the sandbox can't play nice.
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01-04-2010, 05:46 PM
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however i would argue that when people vote for a party, they vote for the leader of that party. (though they are technically voting for thier local MP/senator) so i would say that the popularity of the leader is directly linked to the popularity of the party. if the voters think the leader is inept, then they are not going to vote for the party unless the leader is changed - if you know what i mean.
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01-04-2010, 06:32 PM
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This is in part what leads to voter apathy, a major problem in Japan.
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01-05-2010, 04:02 AM
The US was bascially the main power standing after WW2 and got stuck putting everything back together. It's everyone's "Mama/uncle/big daddy" because we got tired of putting everything back together every 20 years. WW1 was a disaster too. We didn't get involved at the end of that one and look what happened.
Now yes, I suppose we could pull out of all the bases we are at everywhere, and stop feeding all those countries that rely on our food, and stop shipping aid to those countries that have natural disasters. Since we use alot of those bases as operational platforms for that sort of thing. Your also right, we could let the planet burn, the problem is that we would end up catching some of the flack. Keeping these bases, keeps much of that away from the home turf. Aside from some nutjobs, mainland US hasn't been hit by anything since WW2, Japan actually managed to capture an island off Alaska and droped firebombs in California. Kudo's them, it's more than the Germans managed. Now yes, I can understand where some of these nations come from, The US orginally was a colony too. It's still not likely going to change many minds about those bases. The US tends to keep anything it gets a hold of, specially if it paid for it in blood. The added irony here is that if war did break out between Japan and North Korea, Japan would have the US on their side.
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