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01-17-2010, 03:49 AM
Mitlitary might has always been a part of diplomacy. Speak softly but carry a big stick, is based on that rationale. All nations that are able, utilize it.
Yes, I'm proud of what the US has acomplished in 200 years, why not? Isn't Egypt proud of the Pyrimids? China proud of the Great Wall? I don't see anything wrong with it. Maybe American's would listen to what other nations had to say more often, if they ever said something other than "stop being American." Should a tiger stop being a tiger? or an elephant stop being an elephant? If a tiger stoped being a tiger, what would it be? a House cat? someone's pet? 
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01-17-2010, 05:46 AM
Termogard, I know you are intelligent enough to not confuse a country's government with the feelings of that country's individual citizens.
Telling an American to "be human" is frankly as rude, but Americans have been the whipping boys of JF for a long time, and just as we seem to graduate from that status newer members like to try and return us to that status. If you want to talk about government policies and military decisions, please knock yourself out, but let's keep at that level.
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01-18-2010, 03:41 PM
I think the biggest problem lies in our biggest appeal; because we're made up of all cultures, we have no culture. All other nations have a history, have celebrated art, music, sculptures, things that identifies that nation as such. I think becuase we have nothing that really identifies us, we're viewed as ignorant. Now, yeah, we have arts, but they are always compared to other nations' art. We need to look towards something that identifies us and brings us together if we're going to be taken seriously by other countries.
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01-18-2010, 04:20 PM
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To say there is nothing that identifies and unifies Americans is also incorrect. From the flag to the Statue of Liberty to the Vietnam Memorial to jazz music to cinema, there are many things Americans identify with, are proud of, and are uniquely American.
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01-18-2010, 05:18 PM
personally i'd say the biggest problems with and within the states stems from the complete failure of the education system:
YTMND - and that's why Americans can't locate the U.S.
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01-18-2010, 08:20 PM
American culture, at it's heart, is a wild spirit, one that constantly yerns to be free. Give me liberty or give me death, was one of the sayings during the revolution. The whole concept of being American tends to be very "in your face" about that freedom. I understand how that brazen, brashness can be considered in a negitive light by other countries. Still, it's how this country was born, and raised. What is, is.
As to the idea of blowing up villages. Yes it's true we have done that in the past, but we aren't doing that now, even if I personally think we should be. I fully go with the idea of total war, if some one picks a fight with you, demonstrate to them the error of that choice. I take that idea from General Lee who was quoted during the Civil War as saying, "It is good that war is so terrible, or else I fear we would enjoy it too much." That's how you win wars, make them soo terrible, no one wants to start one. The US has been playing with kid gloves thus far, you may feel differently, and that's your right. However, if we had wanted too, Iraq and Afganistan would be nothing more than parking lots now. Just ask Japan, they know what the US can do if it really wanted to. We aren't doing that today, no, we are trying to be "humane" against an enemy who straps live mines to two year olds..( I know the guy who had to shoot the two year old) The world isn't like Avatar, there really are evil people in this world who are hell bent on destroying everything everyone holds dear if you don't worship how they want you to.
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01-18-2010, 09:10 PM
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and then go on to mention Avatar. America is not about freedom, its not about liberty. you have no freedom, you have no liberty. your hallowed constitution, your sacred bill of rights is not worth squat. welcome to the world of the Patriot Act, legislation pushed through by the conservative christians, and not opposed by the masses due to the general ignorance of politics. hmm lets have a look at what history taught me in school. in 1933 the german reichstag was burnt down, hitler used this as just reason to pass the enabling act. taking away civil liberties the right to trial, freedom of the people and the press. in 2001 the NY world trade centre was attacked, Bush used this as just reason to pass the Patriot act. taking away civil liberties the right to trial, freedom of the people and the press i will attach a nice little picture. recommend some reading is done. just google hitler vs bush, or Enabling act vs patriot act. Quote:
this is what your war does...... <warning - link is victim of war!> The Victims of War would you even have the balls to tell her that you agree with war? doubt it. Quote:
a few pointers. 1. the US has not been playing with kid gloves, your just getting your arse kicked even though you out tech the enemy. for the taliban , in terms of tech, its like fighting soldiers from the future. planes, bombs, UAV etc. however. the US is sending 18yr olds fresh out of training against hardened mujihadeen who are aged 30-40+ and have been warriors since the Russians were there. (thats the 80's by the way) and even then have been engaged in tribal warfare. your not playing with kid gloves, your just getting owned by a bunch of middle aged men with Ak's sitting in caves. point 2. your ignorant "we could just Nuke them all" no, no you couldn't because the USA has signed up to the NO first strike treaty. along with Russia, China, India, Pakistan France etc. etc. if the US were to invalidate that treaty then there would be nothing stopping the Russian ICBM multi-warhead nuclear sub that is silently sitting near alaska from launching its volley of 14 ICBM's , each capable of delivering 10 warheads to different targets within a 2000 mile radius. the US would be left with 140 nuclear impacts on cities and tactical locations and no real proof that it was the Russians anyway. (orthe Indians, or the Chinese, or Pakistani's etc. who all have nuclear submarines and warheads with similar capabilities) thus nukes wont be used, cant be used. Quote:
1. a 2 year old cannot carry that much weight, bombs, especially those used by the insurgance are heavy 2. why would you need to shoot the 2 year old, you could incapacitate it with a rock. 3. a 2 year old with a bomb strapped to it, well thats going to require remote detonation which wont work because the ISAF forces use signal jammers, which is why they use suicide bombers! 4. there should not even be a 4 this is clearly bull Quote:
its funny, you say there are really evil people out there who are hell bent on destroying everything everyone holds dear, yet you have just stated that you would condone the use of force to the point that everything that everyone in afghanistan holds dear, like thier homes, lives, lives of thier children, parents infact whole civilisation should be destroyed. you say there are evil people out there. yes there are. and just as is the case with islamic extremism. those evil people rely on the stupid, the gullable, and uneducated to keep them in power. (did you know that those who are suicide bombers and lower level mujohadeen fighters, who die for allah, have not even read the loran?? - they go on what they have been told. and how many US citizens have read the patriot act? have you? no you just go on what your told. you are no different from them. you just live in a different location
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01-19-2010, 04:22 AM
WhoIsDaffy; the US isn't getting anything kicked. They enemy may have been fighting for decades but blowing things up randomly with little reguard as to who they are actually blowing up doesn't do them well in the eyes of the locals.
77% of Afgans perfer haveing the Americans there over the Taliban. The US may aciddently destroy farmhouses, but Taliban fighters hide there in the hopes they get attacked in the first place. They hind behind women and children, fireing away the whole time, brave that. The Americans maybe young, but they don't fight like that. Taliban and the extreamists will never recieve anything like world recognizion unless they do what the US had to do to win over other nations in the revolutionary war with Britian. Beat the British army in the field, on British terms. Today that means they will have to field tanks, massive infantry formations, fighters, bombers. In otherwords, defeat a world superpower on the field of battle as a superpower. I dont see them being able to do that, it's why the current administration treats them like common criminals, it doesn't really see them as a major player. What do nukes have to do with anything? The US doesn't need to use those to wreck the extreamists dreams of a world caliphate. War is hell, and it's the army's job to make sure hell visits the enemy, wherever they hide. The extreamists started it with the 3000 innocent victims on 911. Blameing the US because we drop bombs on extreamist's who hide in school buildings, after they blow up some hospital, is denying the truth. The extreamist's themselves are the problem. To not go after them beause they fight cowardly, is being negligent. Despite that, you miss the point I'm makeing, war should allways be of last resort in that I agree whole heartedly, but if forced to make war, make it so terrible that no one wants to start another one. Bush isn't president anymore, maybe you missed that. However, I do agree with you about the Patriot act, it's very dangerous and few Americans realize how much freedom they will loose with it.
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01-20-2010, 04:15 AM
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 For instance, American administration started war in Iraq under slogans "to defend Democracy and Freedom". But when a President of Georgia asked for miltary help against Russian troops in South Ossetia, American administration silently left him alone. A year before or so, GWB called Georgian President as "an ally and the leader of Democracy and Freedom in that region". You see, it's easy to deploy a total war with a relatively weak enemy and Mr Cameron clearly showed it in a mentioned movie.As for "asking Japan". Well, they had no nuclear devices in 1945. But some later, an American aggressive plan of nuclear war against USSR was cancelled when Russians succesfully tested an ICBM equipped by thermonuclear device. No one from apologets of a total war wishes to get a nuclear warhead atop a roof of his house.
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