Japanese whaler ship rams conservationist boat

[Salvanas]

Originally Posted by Tturtle

I disagree with your assessment here. Basically you are saying that if whales get wiped off the face of the planet in a horrible manner thats no problem as long as no humans are hurt?! At some point the majority of humans will get on the same page about this issue. And it WILL be in favor of the whales. And people who think like you will be the first to go.

Yes, and you will untie under banners that fly the colours of white and green, the colours of justice and nature! And you will stand, with the picture of a whale, proudly stitched onto your breast, as you stare down those vile, evil hunters, will you not?! What a proud day that will be for you.

It will be a sad day for humanity, when murders are made over the killings of some animals.

An animals life should never be put before a humans life.

[Sangetsu]

Originally Posted by WhoIsDaffy

just looked at the ABC video.

the Japanese ship is entirely to blame and was clearly ramming the small boat.

please do look at this video again and observe the following.

1. the angle of the gil in relation to the whalling ship at the start of the video
(its about 45 deg)
2. the angle of the gil in relation to the whalling ship upon impact
(almost 90 deg)

you can see from the waters behind the boat that
a. the gill is NOT TURNING
b. the engines are on very low (ticking over)

the whalling boat sprays the crew so they cannot see, as a precaution they town down engines and maintain course and heading.


as there is a difference in relative angle between the start and impact, and as the gill is clearly not turning or using any real engine thrust.
the only explination that remains is that the "security" ship must have been turning.

but thier plan has backfired,
because now we are talking about it again

Japan security ship = fail


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having viewed the youtube video its even more obvious.

when boat move though the ocean they create bow waves. (waves that splash forward from the front of the ship - the bow)

the andy gill is not making any bow waves,

the whaller is,
also you can see that the whaller at one point clearly leans accors to its left hand side, with bow waves matching indicating that its not just turning right, but turning hard right.

You say "real" engine thrust, so even you can tell that there was at least some evidence that the boat was moving forward.

You can see the prop wash behind the Ady Gil, indicating that the boat was moving forward under power, not reversing as the skipper stated. Based on his poor actions and false statements, if this skipper has a captain's license, I hope he loses it.

Even if what the Sea Shepherd group is saying was true, you have to realize that the turning circle of a ship cruising at speed can be more than one kilometer. Had the Ady Gil not been playing chicken with the ship in the first place (which is utterly stupid), then it wouldn't have been sunk.

I think commercial whaling is stupid as well, but it is not tacitly illegal. Until the laws are changed to be more specific, the Japanese "research" whaling program is legal.

[redline]

Maritime Law (COLREGS).

Part B, Sec. 2, Paragraph 13 states "An overtaking vessel must keep well clear of the vessel being overtaken".

Paragraph 18 states "A power-driven vessel must give way to a vessel not under command (or) a vessel restricted in ability to maneuver."

whalers had the right of way.

[Nyororin]

Originally Posted by Tturtle

Oh. Sorry. I still think that at some point in the future (maybe beyond my lifetime) it may come to that though. A couple of generations from now the President might not even be elected without promising conservation of near extinct species.

Thank you to MMM for clearing that up for me.

I have stated before that I do not agree with whaling. I believe it should be illegal, and that the Japanese research program should be ended. However, that does not mean I believe that the people who are currently taking part in it deserve to be hunted down in their homes, etc. Groups should be focusing on having laws changed, on pushing things via more normal routes. That was the point I was trying to make, in response to a post that was later edited to go over the line of mod tolerance.

[termogard]

Originally Posted by MMM

I am not saying the Japanese ship is right, I am saying there is more to the story we don't know.

How a relatively slow-speed whaler could ram a speed-bot?

[Nyororin]

Originally Posted by JoshAussie

LOL, right.. "Research Program"

Regardless of your opinion on what it actually is - that is what it is officially called.

[manganimefan227]

Ah yes, one of ze topics where adlts get all bombastic and complicated making kids scratch their head and wonder What in ze world they are talking about.

I think I get the idea, but how does it develope into a five page conversation with paragraphs and paragraphs of text?

[Salvanas]

Originally Posted by manganimefan227

Ah yes, one of ze topics where adlts get all bombastic and complicated making kids scratch their head and wonder What in ze world they are talking about.

I think I get the idea, but how does it develope into a five page conversation with paragraphs and paragraphs of text?

It's called a debate.

You'll learn it as you grow up.

[manganimefan227]

But how do you have such a big debateover zis?

[Salvanas]

Originally Posted by manganimefan227

But how do you have such a big debateover zis?

You can have a debate over anything you want to.