VAT in the U.S.A.

[clintjm]

Originally Posted by xyzone

Calm down. It's a proven fact that the CBO is only accurate when a Republican is president or when it suits certain talking points. Weird phenomenon not yet understood but foxnews is investigating. Take heart!

I can actually agree with that.
Scary.

That would mean the CBO is off their rocker about the health reform bill.
I only wish they were about the debt of the U.S. be unsustainable. But as I said, a child can do the math on that.

[Tsuwabuki]

Clint,

You want to boil things down to black and white, socialist or not socialist. When, in fact, government, by its very existence, already has socialist properties.

You're acting as if socialist policies did not already exist in previous administrations, including GOP administrations.

You need to learn to separate political compromise from personal labels.

[DanielSheen]

I live in Canada. Our health care is free. I am sooo glad its free. My grandpa lives in the states, when he had a heart attack, he had to pay befor they could even help him. He doesn't have insurance.

Im not sure how our tax system is broken down, I belive its one tax we pay and the goverment splits it up into the different systems. I think its great that USA is going to do this. It will really help a lot of people. Everyone should have the right to live and get help.

[xyzone]

Originally Posted by DanielSheen

I live in Canada. Our health care is free. I am sooo glad its free. My grandpa lives in the states, when he had a heart attack, he had to pay befor they could even help him. He doesn't have insurance.

Im not sure how our tax system is broken down, I belive its one tax we pay and the goverment splits it up into the different systems. I think its great that USA is going to do this. It will really help a lot of people. Everyone should have the right to live and get help.

The USA is not "going to do this" nor anything close to it.

The healthcare reform was a lie.

[DanielSheen]

Originally Posted by xyzone

The USA is not "going to do this" nor anything close to it.

The healthcare reform was a lie.

Could have swore I saw on the news that It was in voting and obama was gonna sign it. They were interviewing people who were "excited for it to happen" and people were talking about "when" it happens, not if.

[clintjm]

I think VAT is going to be pushed rather that cutting spending.

This answers it all:

Question posed to Obama's Town Hall Charlotte, NC

"Why are you raising taxes more when we are over taxed as it is?"

"Well lets talk about that...." (He babbles on for 17 minutes still unable to answer the question).


VIDEO LINK: Hannity (Fox News) 17minutes summarized:

Obama Tongue-Tied Over Agenda on Yahoo! Video


Morning Joe:
(Despite the MSLsd digs of "It is the Republican's fault for not bringing 'what is it going to cost' instead of going at reconciliation!")

VIDEO LINK: Yahoo! Video Detail for Video: Obama uncomfortable explaining health care taxes

It is going to hit the middle class. It is going to go down from there.

"INDEXING DOWN PEOPLE! You are broke"

The guy in the on the left looking like he just came off the street replies:

"But you're going to live in a country where healthcare is free!"

Huh?


oh the buyer's remorse of the progressive Dems.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by DanielSheen

Could have swore I saw on the news that It was in voting and obama was gonna sign it. They were interviewing people who were "excited for it to happen" and people were talking about "when" it happens, not if.

The health reform bill passed by the Congress and signed by the president sadly is not universal health care, like you enjoy in Canada.

[clintjm]

VAT Not off the table by any means:

Key Player on Debt Commission Says VAT in the Mix

"Additionally, in an interview with CNBC, President Obama did not flatly rule out a VAT tax in the future, calling the levy a "novel" idea that had worked in other countries. Obama said he would prefer to focus first on reducing spending and said his strong preference is to sheild the middle class from tax increases"

""I know that there's been a lot of talk around town lately about the value added tax," Obama told CNBC. "That is something that has worked for some countries, it's something that would be novel for the United States. Before, you know, I start saying 'this makes sense or that makes sense,' I want to get a better picture of what our options are. My first priority is to figure out how can we reduce wasteful spending so that, you know, we have a baseline of the core services that we need and the government should provide. And then we decide how do we pay for that as opposed to figuring out how much money can we raise and then not having to make tough choices on the spending side."

This at the same time many state are raising taxes in a budget deficit.

[HarajukuLima]

Oy...when I'm 50, I just want to get an angioplasty without worrying about the cost. And worrying about the cost will ultimately be the death of me. >.0 ack.

[Ryzorian]

Government is too big, the US is based on the idea that you succeed or fail on your own merit, government won't help you much either way. Aside from granting you the freedom to succeed or fail.

I could do with less mail, mostly just junk they send me anyway.

Government's job is to defend the border's, maintain roads and bridges, act as ref between states. Also to creat treaties with world powers. It is not government's job to help you retire, help you when your sick or help teach your kids anything.

Get rid of social security, welfare, puplic school, medicare, and medicade. That's over half the yearly budget right there. Harsh? certainly, but it's American. This country became great without all that excess bagage, it needs to get rid of it now.