New Law in the U.S. State: Arizona

[clintjm]

Originally Posted by MMM

You have used the word "racist" in just about every post you have made. I don't think I have used it once.

So is Racial Profiling is racist?

Only in America?

Originally Posted by MMM

They check EVERYONE'S passports when they leave the borders. This is true of EVERY COUNTRY. What does that prove? We are talking about state police, legal citizens and on the streets within our borders in the US.

You said Japanese law officials use citizenship is based on race in Japan and could count foriegners on their two hands. Why even bother to ask for passports for Japanese readily IDable ?

My point is that the Japanese, like every other country in the world, is doing the same thing to ID legals. Ask for freaking ID to whomever the please whether it is based on race or not.

You are saying we can't even ask for ID to solve our illegal problem even though the law say without racial profiling.

[MMM]

Keep drinking, Clint, and we'll get back to it tomorrow. I don't feel like repeating myself any more tonight.

[clintjm]

Originally Posted by MMM

If the bill has changed since your original post, then say so. I have defined LEGAL CONTACT about five times in this thread. If that is changed then say so.

Good grief.
It has... you are just skimming.

http://www.japanforum.com/forum/gene...tml#post810876

There is a lovely link there too.
Samurai007 also said it.
Try to keep up.

Originally Posted by MMM

So let's say I am a brown-skinned man and I call the Arizona police to report a break-in in my home. Do the police that come and investigate the crime have the authority to force me to prove if I am a legal citizen or not?

Man you are thick.

Originally Posted by MMM

If you are saying the police can only ask people who are suspects of criminal acts, then that changes everything.

Been that way for like a good while.
STOP SKIMMING THE THREADS.
I'm almost tempted to go back through the threads and link all the times I and others said CRIMINAL SUSPECT

Originally Posted by MMM

I am saying Japan is not America.
In Turkey they cut your hand off for shoplifting. I am not saying that is wrong or right, I am saying that is Turkey. We are not talking about Japan or Turkey. We are talking about the USA.

My point is Japan and every other country I know racially profile and ask for ID in order to prove legalization; even not being stopped for suspect of a crime. American can't Racial profile for that by law. But you are saying we can't even ask for that because it someway violates the consitution and bill of rights when stopped legally.

Libs and lefties have this notion that racial profiling in attempt to capture a suspect of a crime is racists. If it is, then the whole world is doing, including Japan. Racial profiling doesn't equal racism.

[clintjm]

Sorry folks who replied with great posts today...
My small war with MMM pushed carefully typed opinions down in the thread.

I humbly ask for those interesting in this topic to read through other peoples views on this that got buried on this issue, as well of course reading the actual bill and understanding why Arizona is having to act. As MMM is finding out, he isn't up to date on the bill as he may of thought, skimmed and/or didn't read the bill.

Originally Posted by samurai007

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Finally, let me point out that the law was amended and clarified... "lawful contact" was changed to “lawful stop, detention or arrest.” And it was reinforced that race may not be used to determine "reasonable suspicion".

Thanks to jbradfor for the corrected link:
http://www.japanforum.com/forum/gene...tml#post810876


As for the racismtopic
Racism, not racial profiling, is properly defined here:
Link: Racism properly defined.

[samurai007]

Originally Posted by clintjm

Sorry folks who replied with great posts today...
My small war with MMM pushed carefully typed opinions down in the thread.

I humbly ask for those interesting in this topic to read through other peoples views on this that got buried on this issue, as well of course reading the actual bill and understanding why Arizona is having to act. As MMM is finding out, he isn't up to date on the bill as he may of thought, skimmed and/or didn't read the bill.



Thanks to jbradfor for the corrected link:
http://www.japanforum.com/forum/gene...tml#post810876


As for the racismtopic
Racism, not racial profiling, is properly defined here:
Link: Racism properly defined.

The left-wing media has been doing everything it can to lie about this bill and what it does. You'll hear time after time on those biased sources that it forces or allows cops to demand paper from any Hispanic, at any time for any reason. That isn't true at all, of course, but they are hoping people won't actually read the law but rather give in to their hype and lies, if they repeat them enough times.

[MMM]

Since when did this become a left/right issue?

I am talking about protecting the civil liberties and freedoms of American citizens.

Why do you guys keep trying to make it political?

And Clint, if the wording of the bill has changed, then thank you for telling me. Please don't act like I am working with bad information when I am going off the links you provided. It appears I used the term LEGAL CONTACT today a couple times with you after you knew that was no longer a part of the bill. Just say it. Don't make a big deal about it. I am happy hear the most updated information.

So I would like an answer to my question, though.

If the asking of legality is only in the context of a criminal investigation, can a cop I call ask me for "my papers" if I call 911 after my house has been broken into?

I was called thick for asking this, but I still haven't gotten an answer.

[clintjm]

Originally Posted by MMM

Since when did this become a left/right issue?

I am talking about protecting the civil liberties and freedoms of American citizens.

Why do you guys keep trying to make it political?

Just read through the thread, which I posted plenty of links.

And Clint, if the wording of the bill has changed, then thank you for telling me. Please don't act like I am working with bad information when I am going off the links you provided. It appears I used the term LEGAL CONTACT today a couple times with you after you knew that was no longer a part of the bill. Just say it. Don't make a big deal about it. I am happy hear the most updated information.

So I would like an answer to my question, though.

If the asking of legality is only in the context of a criminal investigation, can a cop I call ask me for "my papers" if I call 911 after my house has been broken into?

I was called thick for asking this, but I still haven't gotten an answer.

The left continues to make a big deal out of this - see links I provided throughout the thread. Samurai summed it up. That means though, you will have to read the thread.

Keep up or bow out again. Your asking questions and bringing up points that have been answered throughout the thread. If you don't agree with those points, quote them. Don't play ignorant to the fact. I'm just getting tired of replying to someone who skims threads.
Kinda of like the Toyota thread.... "I don't see any Toyota related deaths or articles, but I'm in Japan" - Even though you have Internet.

Legal contact was just further defined in the bill. It can still be called legal contact, just now they SPELL IT OUT.

I make a big deal out of it because you continue to spread false information about the bill after posts in this and the bill prove the point. I refuse to drag you around the thread and to articles and government websites to show you the obvious.

Here we are again even after:
Your 911 call holds no water. I'm not having a beer sumit with you.
Someone else called 911, not the owner of the house.
Spell out your hypotheticals if this isn't what you are going at.
But spell them out to someone else for a while. I'm tired of spoon feeding you.

The law requires only to be asked after being lawfully stopped for a violation etc.
You must always produce ID when being stopped. Your ID is a state or government issued ID (basically ANYTHING). Nothing has changed. You have lost no freedoms or the ridiculous notion of violating the consitution or bill of rights (HA!).
For those who don't carry any ID with you; I don't know how you get by in day to day life.
It is the world we have lived and continue to live in.

[samurai007]

MMM, clint's right, I just said that the law was clarified to be a “lawful stop, detention or arrest.” Are you being stopped, detained, or arrested when you call the police because your house was broken into? Unless it looks like you are responsible, as part of some insurance scam, then no.

This is mostly meant to deport illegals who are involved in other crimes, because the federal govt refuses to do it.

[clintjm]

Originally Posted by MMM

You have used the word "racist" in just about every post you have made. I don't think I have used it once.

Oh the short memory we have:

http://www.japanforum.com/forum/gene...tml#post810141

MMM:
"You aren't reading. It is racist not because a person of any race can be asked but because only persons of certain races can be asked. "

I will not accept any more hypocrisy to further a dead end talking point.
No more sir.

Racial Profiling isn't racist. See Japan example.

[samurai007]

Originally Posted by clintjm

Oh the short memory we have:

http://www.japanforum.com/forum/gene...tml#post810141

MMM:
"You aren't reading. It is racist not because a person of any race can be asked but because only persons of certain races can be asked. "

I will not accept any more hypocrisy to further a dead end talking point.
No more sir.

Racial Profiling isn't racist. See Japan example.

Where did he get that only certain races can be asked? If a Russian prostitute were picked up, with a laughably bad fake ID and no proof of being here legally, she'd be sent home too! Why is it Arizona's fault that so very many (but not all) of the illegals are from south of the border? If that's who is breaking the law, that's who is going to be penalized, it's just that simple. But people of any other races found to be here illegally will get the exact same treatment.