New Law in the U.S. State: Arizona

[clintjm]

Originally Posted by MMM

Your link quotes that quote from KTVU, but that quote isn't in the story it is linked to.

Oh I forgot to mention, as I just double checked, that quote is in there.
The quote in the main article is in the video interview. Plus if you doubt the quotes, just grep in them in Google news or something.


http://www.japanforum.com/forum/gene...tml#post811268

Here is a nice summary:
Eyeblast.tv

[MMM]

Originally Posted by clintjm

Again I'm going to have to ask you grep around the Internet once in a while yourself. Again I refuse to spoon feed you information on topics after you reply to them.


Are you and I reading the same story?
It was. They caused an uproar that about "being disrespected and demanding an apology". That didn't come from school officials.

You keep linking to different stories about this issue, so it is hard to keep up, but please don't talk down and talk about spoonfeeding.

Here is the link you posted from BigGovernment.

http://biggovernment.com/gknapp/2010...cinco-de-mayo/

This links to Racial Tension Mounts At South Bay High School - News Story - KTVU San Francisco

with the quote:

Some Mexican-American students KTVU spoke with said they thought wearing red, white and blue on Cinco de Mayo was disrespectful. “It’s just kinda disrespectful that they would do that on this day,” said student Victoria Wright. “I mean, we don’t go around on 4th of July wearing red white and green and saying ‘Viva Mexico,’ because that’s disrespectful.”

However that quote is not in the story. I am just saying...

However this quote is in the story.

Kathleen Sullivan, a Morgan Hill Unified School District board trustee, said Live Oak also experienced problems on Cinco de Mayo last year.
She said some students had complained to the principal and vice principal that they had felt intimidated by students waving American flags.
In response to those complaints, school authorities had asked students not to provoke other students by wearing or waving flags this year, Sullivan said.

Did you read the KTVU story, or only the conservative spin doctors' versions?

Where in the Fox article or KTVU story or BigGovernment story does it say the Hispanic students are demanding an apology?

It is the flag wearing students who are demanding an apology. I am not saying that is wrong, but you keep acting like I am an idiot when it is clear you are not reading your own posts.

The five students -- Daniel Galli, Austin Carvalho, Matt Dariano, Dominic Maciel and Clayton Howard -- were then told they must turn their T-shirts inside-out or be sent home, though it would not be considered a suspension. Rodriguez told the students he did not want any fights to break out between Mexican-American students celebrating their heritage and those wearing American flags.

Dariano's mother, Diana, told FoxNews.com she and parents of the other four students are now demanding an apology from officials and are considering a lawsuit.

"We want an apology," Diana Dariano said Thursday. "Who in the United States of America would have an issue with that? It's a sad, sad day."

Originally Posted by clintjm

Notice also that one of the boys wearing the flag has a Hispanic background, so race is off the table here.

Who are you arguing with Clint? No one here said ANYTHING about race.

Only you.

Originally Posted by clintjm

Gonna call you on this. I *demand* links to a story about a rule on wearing the American flag made at some point at this school. I KNOW that would of made headline news. No Ehow links.

Also since when do people have to prepare to be blindsided about wearing the American flag anytime of the year in America?

See the quote above from the KTVU story.

Again, did you read the original link???

Racial Tension Mounts At South Bay High School - News Story - KTVU San Francisco

Originally Posted by clintjm

Well your first post on the matter about someone should teach those kids not to disrespect the flag by wearing American flag T-shirts and posting that link leads me to believe this. What is that all about? Sounds like you have a problem with it.



it is more at the state level illegal voting takes its toll. Plus I don't believe what you write for one second with Amnesty back on the table again.

mmm mmm mmm mmm mmmm si se puede!

Pardon me for bringing a little levity to what is getting to be an overly heavy thread.

Why would you believe anything I say. How could I possibly say something truthful that doesn't jibe with your world view?

[clintjm]

I demanded the link to where there was a "Rule" Last year not allowing students to wear the American flag on any day

"In response to those complaints, school authorities had asked students not to provoke other students by wearing or waving flags this year, Sullivan said."

DOESN'T COUNT. That is not a "rule". Even then I don't believe what Sullivan said, as he seems to just be covering his ass.


See my post on where those quotes came from. The Video interview on the KTVU article.
Also you can grep the net if you doubt.
Same for the apology piece: in video, so there is no question about the quote:
Eyeblast.tv



I still think you have a problem with this from your original post on the matter.
"teach them to respect the flag"

[MMM]

Originally Posted by clintjm

I demanded the link to where there was a "Rule" Last year not allowing students to wear the American flag on any day

"In response to those complaints, school authorities had asked students not to provoke other students by wearing or waving flags this year, Sullivan said."

DOESN'T COUNT. That is not a rule. Even then I don't believe what Sullivan said.


See my post on where those quotes came from. The Video interview on the KTVU article.
Also you can grep the net if you doubt.
Same for the apology piece.

I still think you have a problem with this from your original post on the matter.
"teach them to respect the flag"

When school officials ask students to do something and punish them when they don't follow that, it's a rule.

Believe what you want. So now the school officials are liars? What basis do you have to make judgements like that?

[clintjm]

Originally Posted by MMM

When school officials ask students to do something and punish them when they don't follow that, it's a rule.

Believe what you want. So now the school officials are liars? What basis do you have to make judgements like that?

"Asking" and making rules on the books are different.

What basis do I have? A principal that goes behind the district's back and tells all students that they can't wear American colors or flags in an American school because it somehow offends Mexicans? That only incites the Mexican students to feel the way they behaved. Then denies the offenders a days worth of education. What country is this school in again?
He only apologized because he got caught and the media got involved.
It is actually even worse if he "asked" rather than reminding all students what country this is instead of giving the students the idea that it is disrespect to show American patriotism on any said day.

To some Mexican students hearing "Don't wear or take off American Patriotic symbols" means to them "America is not Mexico and thus disrespecting my heritage. The authority figure tells them to remove their American patriotic clothing so they are disrespecting me"

The district does not back him on this. The principal had no authority even if he did "ask" as you can see from the district's response condemning his actions. As you can see his actions promoted 200 some students to skip class to demonstrate some sort of respect and "yes we can".

Stop defending this crap. You questioned every quote I put on this story, and I have dragged you to it each time; as usual. A simple grep of quote on the internet would bring it to each time if you couldn't read or watch or doubted what was in front of you; as usual. From your first post "those kids disrespected the flag" you took issue with this story.

Oh and heck yes the parents of the boys who wore the flag or the flag colors should demand a full apology of the principal. This is unprofessional foolishness that should not be tolerated. In my opinion he should be fired for either just ignorance or incompetence for either directly or indirectly inciting a riot or putting students in danger. Plus where are the parents of these 200 kids who skipped school or shunned these students?

Yeah I might be beating this story a little hard, but I weep for the future of this country when I see stuff like this.

"mmm mmm mmm mmm mmmm Yes we can"? No we can't.

[MMM]

Clint, how many times do I have to say that this is not right? I don't agree with the decisions this school made, and I don't agree that the freedom to wear t-shirts that have American flags on them should be banned.

I will not apologize for not allowing you to paint me into the Paint-By-Numbers liberal tree-hugger you want to think I am.

If you want to get into the minutia of the definitions of an administrative request and an administrative rule that's fine. You can call your lawyer, but I am not going to pay for one. The boys knew that they were requested not to wear the American flag that day. As I have said, that is not right, but lets not pretend they weren't making a political statement and they didn't know what would happen.

For the last time: THAT IS NOT RIGHT. I am just talking about total exposure.

I am not defending crap. I am defending full exposure.

The "grep" of the quote takes me back to your original link. You say the quote is in the video.

It is not.

"Some Mexican-American students KTVU spoke with said they thought wearing red, white and blue on Cinco de Mayo was disrespectful. “It’s just kinda disrespectful that they would do that on this day,” said student Victoria Wright. “I mean, we don’t go around on 4th of July wearing red white and green and saying ‘Viva Mexico,’ because that’s disrespectful.”"

This quote is not in the video in any way, shape or form.

Clint, I am not in this to call you a liar. Politically I am trying to AGREE WITH YOU. This is WRONG. But you aren't allowing me to do that.

I know how you attack when I disagree with you, but I am trying to agree with you on this one, but you are making it damn hard. I can't agree with quotes that don't exist. I have seen the video twice now, and it isn't in there.

Help me out here.

[clintjm]

Originally Posted by MMM

Help me out here.

The fact that you don't believe the quotes exists is really odd to me; making me think you are taking issue with something just to take issue.

Eyeblast.tv
and in the KTVU page with video.

Second you still never explained your first thread on the matter "Those kids shouldn't disrespect the flag". Jumping into the discussion like that doesn't seem like you are agreeing with much even though you say you are agreeing.

The "they should of expected blow-back from wearing the flag" isn't holding water with me either.

Anyway I agree to disagree.
Or in this case I disagree to agree.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by clintjm

Second you still never explained your first thread on the matter "Those kids shouldn't disrespect the flag". Jumping into the discussion like that doesn't seem like you are agreeing with much even though you say you are agreeing.

The "they should of expected blow-back from wearing the flag" isn't holding water with me either.

Anyway I agree to disagree.
Or in this case I disagree to agree.

I did explain it. I said "I was trying to bring levity to an overly heavy thread". You aren't reading what I am writing. So the point is moot.

It is incredible that we can be on the same side here, and you still want to bicker. Now I really am done with this.

[clintjm]

Originally Posted by MMM

I did explain it. I said "I was trying to bring levity to an overly heavy thread". You aren't reading what I am writing. So the point is moot.

It is incredible that we can be on the same side here, and you still want to bicker. Now I really am done with this.

I guess that is why you took the time to hunt down the link on the proper way to display and handle an acutal flag. Your "levity", as you call it, overwhelms me. I call it you having a problem with what the students did.

Following in your next post we get into the normal MMM groove of "I don't see any articles or quotes" etc.
Oh here are your exact words:

MMM:"2) Interesting that you blame this unfortunate situation on the "Mexican kids". I went back and reread the article and nowhere does it say Hispanic students, leaders, or ANYBODY complained or shunned the students for wearing the American flag. How did you come to that conclusion?"

You are impossible.
Read,watch, believe what you want.
You say you agree but in your next breath you say this or that didn't happen, or doesn't exist.

You back pedal about the Arizona law being racists saying "I didn't say its racist" and I drag you to your own quote saying it is racist. It is the same time and time again.

You take these threads in loops either from a faulty memory, refusal to find information on your own, and or refuse to acknowledge the written or video quotes posted.

Yep, it is a good idea to be done with you on this thread and perhaps any others.

[MMM]

I have now watched both videos.

This quote is not in either one of them:

"Some Mexican-American students KTVU spoke with said they thought wearing red, white and blue on Cinco de Mayo was disrespectful. “It’s just kinda disrespectful that they would do that on this day,” said student Victoria Wright. “I mean, we don’t go around on 4th of July wearing red white and green and saying ‘Viva Mexico,’ because that’s disrespectful.”

Give me a timestamp when that line is spoken and will bow down to your superiority.

Racial Tension Mounts At South Bay High School - News Story - KTVU San Francisco

Eyeblast.tv

This is a small point, but the greater point is that just because a conservative blogger quoted this line as if it was from a news article, it doesn't exist.

We should question our sources, research the truth and find the facts without blindly accepting people who have the same political views as concrete facts or the word of God.

You have passionately said this line is stated is in these two (different) videos, and it isn't. THAT is the simple truth.