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05-09-2010, 02:01 AM
They don't pay taxes, sorry, most undocumented are utilized as private contracters..wich are technically responsible for thier own taxes. Wich they don't pay. Many others use stolen ID, forceing others to pay instead. We had that here in my own town, some poor guy in another state was forced to pay taxes even though he didn't live here and never been here. They got it figured out, but the person who was the actuall illigal got away.
The Native American's didn't have a very strong immigration policy..How'd that work out for em?...Oh yea, they are all on reservations. I'm not going to be that sympathetic about Nafta, Mexico pushed it as much as our own Government. I would sympathize more if they really were just imigrants trying to make a better life in a new country IE "America", as Americans, but they are not. They are lawbreakers, they need to be treated as such. 
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05-09-2010, 02:04 AM
In my opinion, it's a good thing. It's not racist in anyway and non-intrusive into people's lives. If you're an illegal who gets a speeding ticket and they ask you to prove your legality, tough tooties.
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05-09-2010, 02:55 AM
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The Tax Foundation - Immigrants and Taxes Many illegal immigrants pay up at tax time - USATODAY.com Do illegal immigrants receive more government benefits than they pay in taxes? | redblueamerica.com Reason Foundation - Illegal Immigrants are Paying a Lot More Taxes Than You Think http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/bu...migration.html Some undocumented workers are "private contractors" but that is not steady work. Those with regular jobs are paying taxes. Those that live in states with sales tax are paying. And they will never see a Social Security check. Some use stolen ID, but I think you would have a hard time arguing that is a significant number, much lees the majority. Some are drug dealers, murderers and rapists, as well, but these are not terms we can use to talk about the general undocumented population. You Native American comment is bizarre, as it implies America was a country and the Native population was unified in any way. America was made up of many "nations". The lack of an "immigration policy" was the least of the problems the Native population had when dealing with Western arrivals. President Clinton has expressed his regrets about NAFTA. Just because what looked like a good idea turned out to be a bad idea is regrettable. Just because Mexico supported it, and then was essentially gutted by American corporations is the reality. Whether or not you feel sympathy doesn't really matter. Take NAFTA away, and the number of illegals goes down. It is that simple. Punish those that hire them, and they go down even more.
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05-09-2010, 03:55 AM
One of the main reasons that the US became so powerful and successful was because of slavery. Very easy to make a lot of money when you don't have to pay for labor. Its' continued prosperity also relies on one of the lowest minimum wages found in any developed country. For a lot of people to get very rich you need even more people who remain very poor, that's how capitalism works. Illegals are an excellent source of very cheap labor so it will only harm the US to crack down on them being able to stay and work. Only people competing for the jobs they do are trailer trash anyway! Arizona must have a lot of minimum wage earners for the illegals to be such an issue!!
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05-09-2010, 05:50 AM
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Those who use fraudulent documents to get jobs do get taxes and such deducted from their paychecks, but their pay is generally around minimum wage, so little tax is actually paid. One problem with illegal aliens using fraudulent documents is that they often use the names and social security numbers of legal citizens. Some people have had issues with credit reporting agencies and the IRS because of illegal aliens have been using their social security numbers. As a side note, before you begin listing how much illegal aliens "pay" in taxes, you have to subtract the amounts of money spent on the imprisonment, medical care, and education of illegal aliens. In the end, the costs far outweigh the benefits. If having illegal aliens in the state of Arizona was so profitable, do you really think the people of Arizona would have approved of this law? Illegal aliens cost the state of Colorado $1.8 billion annually. Illegal aliens cost the state of Illinois $3.5 billion annually. Illegal aliens cost the state of California $10.5 billion annually. Illegal aliens cost the state of Arizona $1.3 billion annually. Illegal aliens cost the state of Nevada $640 million annually. Illegal aliens cost the state of Oregon $830 million annually. Illegal aliens cost the state of North Carolina $500 million annually. etc. etc. etc. The entire cost of illegal immigration to the taxpayers is approximately $246 billion annually. This is approximately 5 times the amount illegal aliens "pay" in federal taxes each year. When I first began attending university in New Mexico, I had to pay out-of-state tuition rates because I was a legal resident of California. Non-resident tuition rates are quite a bit higher than the regular in-state tuition rates. Ironically, illegal aliens who do not legally reside in any state somehow qualify for in-state tuition. On top of that, since they are considered "minorities", they get placement preference over non-minorities and out-of-state students who are legal citizens. This simply must stop.
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05-09-2010, 05:59 AM
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The problems are that Arizona's prisons are full of illegal aliens, Arizona's hospitals are full of illegal aliens, and Arizona's schools are full of the children of illegal aliens. The net cost of illegal immigration to the state of Arizona is over $1 billion each year.
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05-09-2010, 06:09 AM
So if illegal immigrants are costing states so much money, why don't they take the simple step of fining the employers that hire these immigrants? The fines would help deflect these costs, and certainly it wouldn't be long before the employers stopped hiring them.
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05-09-2010, 07:18 AM
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We have the majority working for cash under the table and the vast majority with fake IDs in the last few hours in the thread. This doesn't seem to add up. Quote:
Immigration to Oregon When this report was made the cost was 471 million, according to this group. I am not saying that is acceptable, but let's just make sure we are using the numbers accurately.
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