New Law in the U.S. State: Arizona

[West]

Regardless of what you look like you need to carry identification.
Driver License, military ID, state ID, passport, etc

Here's an idea.
Rather than complain about a law, how about coming up with a solution of your own?

Did you know, in Japan, police stop people who look foreign just because of that?
Nagoya G.A. - From Sweet Tea to Green Tea - Journal
It's simply a security protocol.
It's just a heuristic.

In the case of computers, you have things like malware.
Your firewall controls access into and out of your computer.
Your anti-virus scans everything to ensure they are okay to be on the computer.

So, again, please tell me how you would handle the illegal immigration in the United States.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by West

So, again, please tell me how you would handle the illegal immigration in the United States.

Simple. If you have ants eating a fallen lollipop on the sidewalk and you want to get rid of the ants, what is the easiest way?

You could stamp them out, but as long as the lollipop is there, there will always be more ants that will try and come get it.

The solution is remove the lollipop. If there is no lollipop, there is no reason for the ants to assemble on the sidewalk.

My solution (which I have mentioned more than once) would be to focus energy and money on going after those employers that hire undocumented workers.

If they have no reason to come here (the majority of that being for work) then they won't take the risks to cross the border and do so.

What's wrong with my solution? It targets rich white people and not poor brown people. However, it is the most efficient and economic solution.

[West]

So, how do you propose we pin point those who hire illegal immigrants?
I think it is a good idea, because that means more jobs would open up to Americans who are legal citizens. With the economy the way it is, people should take whatever jobs they can get.

As for the rich people, regardless of skin color, it doesn't target them.
It targets the industry. Skin tone has nothing to do with that.

[Ryzorian]

You both spray for ants and remove the lollipop.

Inforce the immigration laws and the employment laws, plus build a fence/wall.

Course you have the alternative option of invadeing Mexico and makeing it the 51st state. I mean, might as well make them all citizens anyway, since half of them up here allready.

[West]

The alternative option sounds quite stolid, if you ask me.
The problem is removing the lolipop.

[Paul11]

MMM - You don't know anything about law enforcement or rights pertaining to the law. There is no infringement of a citizen's rights in the situation you mentioned above. THE LAW DOES NOT ALLOW A PERSON TO BE DETAINED BASED ON SUSPICION OF BEING IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. If a citizen is LEGALLY detained under RESONABLE SUSPICION for a violation of a law and the officer CONSEQUENTLY developes a REASONABLE SUSPICION that the person is illegal the may extend the detainment (I.E. car stop) long enough to INVSTIGATE (I.E. ask questions and obtian documents) the status of the person.

I detain people in this manner every single day in the course of my job. There si no infringement. The right you are talking abou is not aright but something you beleive is fair. You have not defined what right you are talking about or where it is codified as a right.


My job is expressly regulated by laws based directly on the constiutution and it's ammendments. I'm telling you there is no right as you have mentioned. Stop arguing based on your strange personal principals and base it on the law.

[Paul11]

Originally Posted by MMM

Simple. If you have ants eating a fallen lollipop on the sidewalk and you want to get rid of the ants, what is the easiest way?

You could stamp them out, but as long as the lollipop is there, there will always be more ants that will try and come get it.

The solution is remove the lollipop. If there is no lollipop, there is no reason for the ants to assemble on the sidewalk.

My solution (which I have mentioned more than once) would be to focus energy and money on going after those employers that hire undocumented workers.

If they have no reason to come here (the majority of that being for work) then they won't take the risks to cross the border and do so.

What's wrong with my solution? It targets rich white people and not poor brown people. However, it is the most efficient and economic solution.

Wrong again. What you state is definitely a problem. This law is necessary to also address the criminal element presented by the illegal community. You r utopian fantasy that they all come her to work is simply not true. many come to feed off the system. There are programs for pregnant women to come her to have anchor babies. The drug cartels ar crossing the border with military weaponry. The criminals are coming in droves, joining gangs and commiting a majority of the street crime.

And targeting rich white people. Your progressive/socialist ideals are slipping out along with your racism toward white people.

[clintjm]

Originally Posted by MMM

What's wrong with my solution? It targets rich white people and not poor brown people. However, it is the most efficient and economic solution.

Whoooah. I request some clarification to this statement with some sarcastic point we are all missing. As it stands now, I'm reading some serious stereotyping.

[Paul11]

Originally Posted by clintjm

Whoooah. I request some clarification to this statement with some sarcastic point we are all missing. As it stands now, I'm reading some serious stereotyping.

That's because liberal progressives always scream racism as a defensive mechanism and a way to shame others into silence, even thought thier own "compassionate" policies creat more suffering.

Notice he does not address any solid points regarding the law I'v posted, but relies on stories.

Here's a story: I was in full uniform in the district attorney's office. I met a man who looked at me like he was seeing a ghost. The 1000 yard stare straight through me. His sone is a police officer recently murdured by an illegal alien.
Try going to Cop funerals. In arizona the illegals have been killing cops. Organized crime has infiltrated phoenix. 60 % of the homicides in AZ were committed by illegals.

Liberals always shape thier ideas and policy by emotion and no real logic. Why hasn't MMM addressed any of the points regarding the law itself I posed?

Here's a joke: What's a racist? A conserviative who's winning an argument.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by clintjm

Whoooah. I request some clarification to this statement with some sarcastic point we are all missing. As it stands now, I'm reading some serious stereotyping.

My solution would make rich business owners those that would pay the consequences, along with those that cross the border to take the jobs these Americans business owners are offering.

The reason they aren't targeted is that they also pay in the campaigns of the politicians that decide how to allocate money for dealing with illegal immigration.

So we are back to the inefficient practice of criminalizing those that cross the border to take jobs American business owners are offering them.

Spend all your time stamping out ants, and have a good time doing it. But, as long as the lollipop is still there, the ants will keep coming.

Do you really want to solve the problem of illegal immigration?