Inevitable Choice to Avoid War

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Before then, a British blogger proved that the torpedo evidence was fake. And he got noticed in Joongang Ilbo.

The Sinking of the Cheonan: We Are Being Lied To
German Made Torpedo Sunk South Korean Cheonan
PCC-772 Cheonan: Photographic Evidence that “No. 1″ Written on Top of Rust

So? The truth is that:

1. Half of the South Korean public think it was a false flag operation to discredit North Korea for the current government's policy.
2. The Prime Minister of South Korea just recently resigned from all of the pressures, including this Cheonan incident.
3. North Korea is innocent.
4. Americans should have a positive impression of North Korea, just like the majority of South Korean citizens.

The blogger makes some interesting observations but they are nothing controversial. He says that the material was similar to that of a German made weapon and sites an article from Reuters. When you read the article from Reuters you will find that actually the investigative team were the ones that discovered this and South Korean officials were the ones that released this information. That he confirms what the South Koreans and Investigators already publicly claimed is about the only valid thing he says. The rest is his opinion based on a lot of baseless speculation (kinda like yours).

Here is the article he links to.

Probe concludes torpedo sank South Korea ship: report | Reuters

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

As a concerned South Korean, hell no.

As cornered citizen of the world i can not by into it. I have researched from the day of incident up till now and the conspiracy theories are hog wash and probably some of the biggest BS i have had to read in my 31 years on this planet but it tend to get very angry when discussing this so i wont and we will agree to disagree. If that is ok with you?

I have my problems with the U.S. as a citizen and N Korea for more reasons than i can count but the last thing i would want to see is war.

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

The blogger makes some tenuous links. He says that the material was similar to that of a German made weapon and sites an article from Reuters. When you read the article from Reuters you will find that actually the investigative team were the ones that discovered this and South Korean officials were the ones that released this information. That he confirms what the South Koreans and Investigators already publicly claimed is about the only valid thing he says. The rest is his opinion based on a lot of baseless speculation (kinda like yours).

Here is the article he links to.

Probe concludes torpedo sank South Korea ship: report | Reuters

He actually compared why the torpedo pieces couldn't be a Soviet design. While EU and the USA prohibited North Korea of getting sensitive western equipments. And he debunked that Reuters article... that claims that it was a German torpedo. Reuters reported that it was a Soviet design after the investigation "officially" claimed that it was a Soviet design.

Whether you like it or not, 50% of South Koreans don't believe what you believe in. And they are getting stronge enough to challenge the president and the US government.

If it was really North Korea, how come the Russian government had hard time accepting the official findings? And Russia is no longer a close ally of North Korea. This only tells us that something's wrong with the official evidences.

[Atredies]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

The blogger makes some interesting observations but they are nothing controversial. He says that the material was similar to that of a German made weapon and sites an article from Reuters. When you read the article from Reuters you will find that actually the investigative team were the ones that discovered this and South Korean officials were the ones that released this information. That he confirms what the South Koreans and Investigators already publicly claimed is about the only valid thing he says. The rest is his opinion based on a lot of baseless speculation (kinda like yours).

Here is the article he links to.

Probe concludes torpedo sank South Korea ship: report | Reuters

dude, learn how to read english. it's called having another different viewpoint of a certain issue. komitsuki and stevens explained it well for why they think like this. give credits for that and stop acting like a prick. i kinda miss george w bush when he tried to improve relations with north korea later in his presidency. now obama sucks for worsening the situations everything east of beijing. i want my america back to its peaceful nonviolent state.

[akinkhoo]

everyone who has watch the news should have noted that there were 3 dive site, however the south korean military claim there was only 2, contradicting what was broadcast on south korean tv. the cover up became more obvious when one of the divers died in the 3rd unnamed site. we know it a different site from the 2 official one because they show footage where they drop flowers into the sea that was clearly very far from the 2 named site. so either south korea navy send a man to his death by making them dive in the wrong place or they were trying to recover something they didn't want other people to know about.

all the claim that there is an international investigation is bullshit. no divers other than south korean ones were at the scene, all the foreign investigator got were evidence that was already needed displaced by the south korean. south korea has in fact deny request to dive into the area, so how does the international team do any independent investigation? in fact they didn't, in their statement, they simply state they agree with the finding based on the evidence provided by south korea since they have no means to investigate at all.


some japanese believes US engineered the incident to make US military base more appealing to japanese and korean politic at a time both country were heading to election and anti-US bases were becoming increasing popular. which ultimately lead to the PM's resignation when he couldn't end the base as he promised under such conditions. of course we will never know...

[WingsToDiscovery]

The title of this thread may be oxymoronic, but this thread is just plain moronic.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery

The title of this thread may be oxymoronic, but this thread is just plain moronic.

I must admit i did chuckle a bit. But could you share with the class why you think that?

[WingsToDiscovery]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

I must admit i did chuckle a bit. But could you share with the class why you think that?

Glad to be of service.

I guess I've just seen too many threads where the US is the root of all evil. Even when we're discussing a communist country that has proven it's lethality with stuff like launching missiles out into the ocean for no reason (or shooting at ships), somehow it always gets back to being the US' fault.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery

Glad to be of service.

I guess I've just seen too many threads where the US is the root of all evil. Even when we're discussing a communist country that has proven it's lethality with stuff like launching missiles out into the ocean for no reason (or shooting at ships), somehow it always gets back to being the US' fault.

Of course it is because if it wasn't our fault it would be someone else's. This is the way of the world humans always need someone or something to blame for that is human nature. One day it will be another countries turn to take the mantel of the blame game and it will rinse and repeat.

Lets be honest i could sit down and name why every single country on the planet is evil its not that hard.

just smile and nod and know that not everyone is going to agree on things.

[Aniki]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

Lets be honest i could sit down and name why every single country on the planet is evil its not that hard.

I'd like to see you try.