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07-12-2010, 01:51 PM

Well obviously I don't think it's possible as I don't believe in any sort of afterlife or spirits or souls. So I believe that everyone who claims to be able to do so are charalatans and are especially insidious as they are often preying on people who are bereaved and grieving. People in such states can be very easy to manipulate and extort large amounts of cash out of. On the other hand in many cases I'm sure people find some sort of comfort from believing they have been contacted by a loved one who has passed away. Especially if it helps to reinforce their own faith and allows them to believe that those who've passed have gone to a better place. There is without doubt some theraputic value in that. As much as I don't believe in the supernatural or paranormal I recognise that many do and many find comfort in it. I might wish for a more enlightened world of knowledge through science but I'm a realist, it's still a long time coming.
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What you guys think about people who claim they can talk to the dead?
I think, originaly, they are one of counselor on psychological matters.
because most of people can't forget loved one...

but these day, there is a lot of fake shaman.
in Japanese TV program, certain self-designation sharman said "Your late father say ~"
however, that actress's father is still alive.
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07-12-2010, 02:05 PM

I don't know if I should include God into this discussion but what do you think? Do you believe in a God, many Gods or no God?
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I don't know if I should include God into this discussion but what do you think? Do you believe in a God, many Gods or no God?
I believe in "Order in Chaos", no matter what we do everything moves in the same direction and if there is a force over all, it does not care about a green and blue rock in the outskirts of one amongst many galaxies in this massive cosmos.

"We are alive", so what, the germs on your arm are also alive, do you care about those? We are simply a manifestation of force amongst many in the universe, why should we be so special?

There is something governing, however it just does not care about us.


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Is this "Order of Chaos" a cult or a theory?
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Again obviously I don't believe in any god but I've always found the whole phenomena of religions incredibly interesting. I'm interested in why people believe in such things, especially in todays modern world.
What I also find interesting is how do religious people decide that their version of a god is the right one. Even within religions that believe in the same god there can be some rather large differences in belief systems. If you believe in Christ who has it right, the Catholics? The Baptists? One of the myriad other groups who follow Christ? Whose version and take on the Bible is the right one? What makes one interpretation more valid than another? Not one is based on any sort of factual evidence to support the divine so how is it so many people become so fanatical about the version they believe in? Anyway even though I do not believe in gods I do find such beliefs very interesting to observe and they can certainly bring out the very best and the very worst in humanity.
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Is this "Order of Chaos" a cult or a theory?
Both I guess, I have not looked up on it, it is just what I belive.
That there is "Order in Chaos".

Example, does anything you do keep the tides from turning? If our world simply implodes without reason, would the solar system just stop? If our solarsystem simply vanishes, would the galaxy stop swirling?


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Again obviously I don't believe in any god but I've always found the whole phenomena of religions incredibly interesting. I'm interested in why people believe in such things, especially in todays modern world.
What I also find interesting is how do religious people decide that their version of a god is the right one. Even within religions that believe in the same god there can be some rather large differences in belief systems. If you believe in Christ who has it right, the Catholics? The Baptists? One of the myriad other groups who follow Christ? Whose version and take on the Bible is the right one? What makes one interpretation more valid than another? Not one is based on any sort of factual evidence to support the divine so how is it so many people become so fanatical about the version they believe in? Anyway even though I do not believe in gods I do find such beliefs very interesting to observe and they can certainly bring out the very best and the very worst in humanity.
If Christ existed and could see what he did resulted in, Christianity would probably never be, or simply say "These people are way off".


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07-12-2010, 04:05 PM

As a very young child my oh-so very-British nanny taught me something when it came to the questions of paranormal and other matters of belief, rather than fact which I still consider my standard.

"You do not need to believe, but do not be so arrogant as to disbelieve what you do not understand."

Its a fine line between the connotations of "not believing" and "disbelieving"; sort of admitting a possibility, though not convinced, versus denying the existence.

Ghosts and the paranormal - I would say that while extremely skeptical, I have some belief in what I have personally experienced and no one has been able to explain. Two of my cousins and I learned 20 years after the fact that we had simulataneous experienced the same "visitation". We each thought the others were asleep when startled my our grandmother's appearance in the bedroom on the night of her burial. And there have been a few other unexplained things I generally consider paranormal .... until proven otherwise.


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07-12-2010, 08:51 PM

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Two of my cousins and I learned 20 years after the fact that we had simulataneous experienced the same "visitation". We each thought the others were asleep when startled my our grandmother's appearance in the bedroom on the night of her burial. And there have been a few other unexplained things I generally consider paranormal .... until proven otherwise.
i have heard many of these stories, especially when i was younger, that ppl have seen their relative's visions after they have passed out.

well, all i can say, i have only nice memories of my mother's mum, she was really great person and very careful, and i thank her very much for not showing herself to me in any vision after she has gone. she must have known that i would probably not cope with it and die from heart attack or, get a bit mental. you know, just the idea of seeing anyone i am convinced is dead... is quite terrifying, and despite i like all my parents, and grandparents, i don't want to meet them in any other form than alive, having that happen, i don't know, i would possibly even attack the vision in desperate defense
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