Hiroshima victims speaks about bomb on 65th anniversary

[StrangeLee]

I'm not going to weigh in on the bickering, because I can't be bothered.

In regards to the 'modern mentality' towards nuclear weapons, it comes down to Mutually Assured Destruction, or M.A.D. I think it's something along the lines that neither side will deploy nuclear, biological or chemical weapons if both sides has them. Or an ally of the attacked party has them.

Or something like that. Look it up if you want to find out more about M.A.D., because I can't be bothered!

Lee

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by StrangeLee

I'm not going to weigh in on the bickering, because I can't be bothered.

In regards to the 'modern mentality' towards nuclear weapons, it comes down to Mutually Assured Destruction, or M.A.D. I think it's something along the lines that neither side will deploy nuclear, biological or chemical weapons if both sides has them. Or an ally of the attacked party has them.

Or something like that. Look it up if you want to find out more about M.A.D., because I can't be bothered!

Lee

Its true... MAD works on a large scale between global superpowers

On a smaller scale though it gets a bit tricky.

2 small or medium powers that have nukes, fighting a contained, regional conflict wont have MAD on their mind.

[StrangeLee]

Good call there, and I really don't have anything to address that by, Ronin. I think I lack the ability to consider that level at times.

I just hope that the lessons of the past aren't forgotten before it occurs.

[dogsbody70]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

I would say that all the things you listed are also atrocities and I agree with your message that overall... war sucks

But I think in order to do so we cant take a relativistic approach to justifying past events.

All the things you talk about... Germany bombing Britain, Japan attacking Asian countries and torturing POWs... they are all atrocities too that I condemn.

I think if we are going to be honest... the Allies too committed atrocities and to try and justify means maybe we havent learnt that much.

Anyway.... Im sorry you had to live through such horror and Im happy that you seem to be on a journey of discovery concerning Japan and Germany.

And for what its worth... I think women are just as capable of rational thinking as men! So yes I DO expect rational thinking from you

Rational Me NO I am past all that and at an age to behave disgracefully.

one track mind--Maybe but you are just pedantic over one subject without really being willing to think about reasons. But hey-- as far as Germany is concerned thats another story-- pretty insane the way one leader can brainwash a whole nation.

it all shows how low man can go when he wants to dominate the world and annhilate the non aryan.


Its easy to say wnat should or should not have happened in history but unless we are personally involved we don't have a clue about the realities of any situation.

I do think we need to know history.

[Ronin4hire]

What do you mean I havent been willing to think about reasons?

My position is based on those held by historians whose JOBS it is to think about reasons.

I think you are confusing things... Im willing to think about reasons... but am not going to accept excuses.

[Ryzorian]

It's not that I'm un sympathetic, I understand loved ones are lost and innocent people killed. It's just that when a war starts, I think it's far more humane to end it as quickly as possible, often times that means being brutal and ruthless.

Trying to pussyfoot around causes the pain to be extended longer than needed, wich is a kind of torture in my view. Just get the job done, so the rebuilding and healing can start.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Trying to pussyfoot around causes the pain to be extended longer than needed, wich is a kind of torture in my view. Just get the job done, so the rebuilding and healing can start.

You are back to towing that line now I see.

Ive already shown earlier that this viewpoint is flawed.

[dogsbody70]

ah well lets hope some idiot state doesn't want to try again--

ask soldiers and all those caught up in it what they thought? All those killed and injured fighting. Most were doing as ordered-- did they all want to be there? The japanese were told it was cowardly to be taken prisoner so seppuku was supposed to be their way to deal with it-- they despised the POWs for allowing themselves be captured. Took it out on them--

So many dying in order to capture a little bit more land or protect their own land.


It so easy in hindsight to say what should or should not have happened and pointless keeping on about it.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

It so easy in hindsight to say what should or should not have happened and pointless keeping on about it.

I dont think its pointless. I think its necessary so that we dont do it again.

[Ryzorian]

You missed the point, when the war has allready started, get it over with as soon as possible. Honestly, you can't fight a "humane" war. War isn't nice, never was, never will be. So trying to end it as soon as possible to me is the correct path. I'm not toteing a line here, overwelming firepower, with no holding back, is how I think.

True, I would rather avoid a confrontation, but once the line has been crossed, peace through strength means utilizeing and over welming response.


It's called Pax Romana, Rome had peace for over 200 years...actual peace where there were no wars anywhere within the empire or along it's borders. They had this because everyone knew that if you messed with Rome they didn't negotiate, they sent legions to your city and razed it to the ground. It's harsh yes, but the peace that resulted from this harshness benifited everyone, roads and bridges were built, industry and trade goods flowed, technology advanced and the arts flurished. Being a Roman citizen was what everyone wanted to become.

The US should establish a Pax Americana.