Mosque at Ground Zero

[YukisUke]

Originally Posted by MMM

CNN did a survey of Americans and 68% said they didn't believe a mosque should be placed at Ground Zero. I agree with that. Ground Zero should be considered hallowed ground, and there should not be a mosque, church, convenience store, Gap or McDonald's placed there.

The real crime is that the memorial or museum that should be placed there hasn't been built yet.

The Islamic community center, with basketball court and cooking classes that will be built blocks away.

That is not sacred, hallowed ground. If it is, they should probably shut down the adult video store and "gentlemen's club" that exist between the two sites.

There is nothing wrong with a Mosque. I bet if it was a damn Christian or Catholic church, no one would oppose that, would they?? You know, all muslims weren't on those planes. Stop treating them like they were. They have just as much right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country does. 9/11 was 9 years ago. Get over it and live your lives!!

P.S- I'm not getting anygry at you, MMM.

[manganimefan227]

For once I agree with you.

Quit putting the entire Muslim race down!!

I can't wait to be able to be a little more happy to have to celebrate my little sister's birthday on such a tragic day . . .

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by TalnSG

As for the opinions of the 9/11 victims families, I would hope they would appreciate an end to the emotional wrangling that politicians and some religious figures insist on using them for. It is time to finish the memorial and treat is as a memorial, not an open wound to continue prodding.

I COMPLETELY agree.

More people other than Bill Maher need to be saying this.

[steven]

Yea wow! That's what this whole thing is about. I didn't catch the end of his post, so I thank you for quoting that Ronin.

A lot of this is people screwing with your minds by putting fancy (false) wording on surveys to get votes so they can take a slice of the pie... which unfortunately will come right out of everyone's pockets.

I might've thought differently about this type of thing 5 or so years ago, but being separated from American television and newspapers has really allowed me to see this crap for what it is.

For all of you elitist people out there who think you are better than Islamic people, make an effort to show it and bare your generosity to them by allowing them to build it. What we're talking about is so trivial. Like other people have said, if it were a church this wouldn't even make the news. It's like bitching about a Del Taco being built in your neighborhood instead of a Taco Bel (or a McDonalds instead of a Wendys). I feel like this is in a sense a conversation about brand names.

[manganimefan227]

Kinda weird but interesting way to put it.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

Well, I still disagree. If it were a church, no-one would say anything because it's alright to be nasty about Christianity but, nope, nobody can say anything about Islam.

Wow... what a childish statement.

Furthermore, its alright to be nasty about ANY religion.... but its the WAY in which you are nasty about it that is the issue.

[willgoestocollege]

Originally Posted by YukisUke

There is nothing wrong with a Mosque. I bet if it was a damn Christian or Catholic church, no one would oppose that, would they?? You know, all muslims weren't on those planes. Stop treating them like they were. They have just as much right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country does. 9/11 was 9 years ago. Get over it and live your lives!!

P.S- I'm not getting anygry at you, MMM.

Why are you getting angry with MMM? He knows that the Islamic community center and mosque is nowhere near ground zero and he is not against it because he believes in freedom. If you had the energy to read the previous posts...

[MMM]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

I'm sorry if you don't agree with me but I am allowed an opinion whether you think it's childish or not.

I didn't mention anything about any religion so I don't know what you are talking about. If the majority of people don't want it there, then it shouldn't be there, that's democracy. Considering I'm English it's really got nothing to do with me and I can only go on what the actual people in New York think.

I think I am confused. You are pro-church but anti-mosque?

And actually what you describe is not how things work in America. Recently in California a vote to ban gay marriage passed (52%-48%) but that vote has now been deemed unconstitutional by the District Court. Just because the majority vote for it, doesn't mean it is lawful or right.

And there has been no vote on allowing an Islamic community center blocks away from Ground Zero, there were just a poll done by CNN. That does not constitute a vote.

If a legal action were to be taken to block this center's construction, it would be unlawful and unconstitutional. There is hardly any way to deny that.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

I'm sorry if you don't agree with me but I am allowed an opinion whether you think it's childish or not.

I didn't mention anything about any religion so I don't know what you are talking about. If the majority of people don't want it there, then it shouldn't be there, that's democracy. Considering I'm English it's really got nothing to do with me and I can only go on what the actual people in New York think.

You didnt understand how my post was relevant?

You suggested that there was a double standard when it came to being nasty about Islam versus being nasty about Christianity. I was simply saying that "being nasty" is not the issue here. The issue here is that people are challenging the rights of others who happen to be in a minority.

Furthermore, there are safeguards in most democracies that guarantee particular rights and responsibilities to minimize the "tyranny of the majority" effect.

Put simply... basically there are certain things in democracies which it doesnt matter if you are in the majority or not. One of these things is freedom to worship whichever God you want to and not be discriminated it because of it.

[SSJup81]

I have no problem with them building the Mosque/Cultural Center. I mean, it's not even at Ground Zero, and to not let them, it's infringing upon their right to Freedom of Religion. I find it hypocritical that no one would probably be making a big deal if a Christian Church was being built, but oh no, a Mosque where they were planning on putting up a dedication in the center to the victims of 9-11? With those "Muslim people"...oh no, they're all terrorists! -_-

It's a shame that a select few were responsible for 9-11, but the entire Muslim community (yes, which includes Muslim Americans who also probably lost loved ones in the WTC buildings) and those of true Islamic faith (you know, those peaceful ones) are being demonized so much.

Look at the KKK who would hang and kill those they didn't like "in the name of God" and were church goers and flat out preached the bible (and yet, probably never comprehended a word of it). Those crazy folks that were apart of that doesn't represent the entire Christian population or everyone who practices Christianity. Good Christians shouldn't be demonized because there are some bad eggs in the mix. No group should.

This is how I see that entire mosque thing, and I still don't understand why we haven't tried to get past it yet. Move on, but don't forget it, that type of thing, make a memorial to the victims instead of leaving that eerie place there. I hated walking back and forth past there last year, so I'd take an alt route.

If they do manage to build it, I sense a lot of trouble from idiotic bigots who may riot the place or something.