Guy who wants to burn the Quran on Sept. 11

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by MMM

You are absolutely wrong there. No one does it like FOX News does. They do it so much there are TV shows that thrive on "untwisting" their twists, like The Daily Show and in the radio.

Please Steamboatsam, start watching other channels. Try listening to NPR for some. There may be less fireworks and less shouting, but it's actually healthier for you.

The people that think Pres. Obama is a socialist Muslim born in Africa didn't get their news from NPR.

I want to back up MMM here as I feel so strongly on this.

Watch other channels! The BBC is the most reliable for me as it is state owned (but not state run) and doesnt need to "sell" stories to the extent that other world networks need to.

The BBC also shows way more in the way of documentaries and investigative journalist pieces and less in the way of opinion and talk shows like Glenn Beck, Rachael Maddow or Cooper Anderson.

[PumaMan]

Originally Posted by MMM

This is the insane behavior of one man that has been criticized by just about every one.

I hope you're right but I have this feeling that there is a lot of silent support in the US for this kind of behavior.

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by PumaMan

This sort of behavior makes me want to move to another country. I wish I was younger. I think I might try to move to Japan -- after learning the language. I know this sounds awful to say but I'm not real proud of this country.

You want a better country? Contribute to its improvement by striving to better yourself -- and hope that others will do the same. Realize Japan has its own set of messes to worry about.

[PumaMan]

Originally Posted by Jaydelart

You want a better country? Contribute to its improvement by striving to better yourself -- and hope that others will do the same.

After trying to do this (in my own small ways) for 45 adult years I'm a little weary . . . .

[PumaMan]

I wish we could "reboot" this planet without religion -- in a similar manner to Arthur C. Clarke's novel The Songs of Distant Earth.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by PumaMan

I wish we could "reboot" this planet without religion -- in a similar manner to Arthur C. Clarke's novel The Songs of Distant Earth.

Religion is just ideology.

The only difference is that its packaged itself with "tradition" and sold to everyone as religion.

And it is impossible to live in a world without ideology.

The problem in the west is that it is not treated the same as ideology. We are allowed to hate socialism and even demonizing socialists is OK (sometimes, even when they arent socialists)... if someone said that they hate Islam or Christianity however and all of a sudden you come off as a bigot. (Which is wrong.. you are only a bigot if you hate Muslims and Christians)

[PumaMan]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

. . . you are only a bigot if you hate Muslims and Christians)

But what if you just hate Christians? (Just kidding. )

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by MMM

You are absolutely wrong there. No one does it like FOX News does. They do it so much there are TV shows that thrive on "untwisting" their twists, like The Daily Show and in the radio.

Please Steamboatsam, start watching other channels. Try listening to NPR for some. There may be less fireworks and less shouting, but it's actually healthier for you.

The people that think Pres. Obama is a socialist Muslim born in Africa didn't get their news from NPR.

I said I'd stop with the derailing, but I've changed my mind.

Are we saying that since there are (potentially rival) programs dedicated to contradicting one of the only major Conservative/Republican programs in America, we should assume they're more legitimate? If I'm being ignorant, I'm not doing so intentionally, and I apologize. I don't consider myself only limited to either Liberal or Conservative views, but I've honestly witnessed enough blind bashing from the left-wing in recent years to become considerably wary of the one-sided accusations implicated here.

I'll submit: FOX is probably guilty of twisting the truth. I don't deny that high possibility. It would be nice to hear someone from the opposite side admit their sources are likely guilty of lying also.

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by PumaMan

But what if you just hate Christians? (Just kidding. )

Then you hate me... and you're mean. But I forgive you (lol).

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

if someone said that they hate Islam or Christianity however and all of a sudden you come off as a bigot.

I agree, it's ridiculous. On the other hand, if someone said that they were religious, all of a sudden they may come off as unintelligent and/or psychotic. Which, if we were to be fair, isn't necessarily true either. I've long since concluded that it's a win-win or lose-lose situation.

Cheers to life, eh!

[MMM]

Originally Posted by steamboatsam

You use the Daily show, a fake news show that does comedy acts about news reports, as a reference of untwisting FOX twisted reports? And you get on me about FOX.

I'm trying to state FOX is always right, it isn't and nobody othe channel is. I'm trying to state something similar to what Jaydelart stated earlier. That a report from one source should not be disregarded because of the source's methods and bias of investigation and/or reporting and/or its background. It should be seen and then, if the person is interested in it, to be looked deeper by other sources who did a similar report and see their opinions. Do you write a research paper with just one resource? No, you use multiple resources. The same should go with news when making a decision of what part of a report is real.

I didn't say The Daily Show is a news source. I said it is a show that makes it's bread and butter on untwisting FOX News. You don't see that for other news sources.

Listen, steamboatsam, you suggested that the government wasn't enforcing the laws when the suspect was Muslim. Now that we look into that statement a little, we see that there is nothing to support it. This is the FOX News pattern. Are you seeing this now? They put an idea out there, without any proof, sources, etc. and let it gestate. Then viewers like you go out there on forums and throw it out there. It took me to say "I would like to hear more about that" for us to realize it was a baseless statement. Sadly 99% of the time that kind of dialog doesn't take place, and as a result 40% of Americans believe out church-going life-long Christian is a Muslim.