Guy who wants to burn the Quran on Sept. 11

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by MMM

As long as Muslims don't consider it a defeat.

Yeah.. thats true.

A lot of ugliness has surfaced the past few weeks. I wonder what sort of toll its going to take.

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by MMM

As long as Muslims don't consider it a defeat.

I would personally consider making such a compromise an honorable act and subsequently worthy of being considered a victory. Time will tell.

[x2cool]

You know... I think that now that Rev. Terry Jones has done the "right" thing and will not burn those Quran's. Shouldn't the people who are trying to build the mosque maybe also consider doing the "right" thing and building it elsewhere, a little farther away maybe?

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Jaydelart

I would personally consider making such a compromise an honorable act and subsequently worthy of being considered a victory. Time will tell.

I kind of feel like it makes religious intolerance in America the winner.

[x2cool]

Originally Posted by MMM

I kind of feel like it makes religious intolerance in America the winner.

The way I see things, is that people are not angry that it's a mosque being built, more like it's because to me it feels like the people who are trying to build it didn't take into account the feelings of the people who were affected by the 9/11 attack. Although I'm not sure if things would be the same if it was a christian church being built, would people be angry? Hmmm... maybe it is a religious thing.

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by MMM

I kind of feel like it makes religious intolerance in America the winner.

It also seems like a lot of potential violence could be avoided.

[steven]

Originally Posted by Jaydelart

It also seems like a lot of potential violence could be avoided.

Which is a cause of religious intolerance.

I'm still seeing headlines with "mosque at ground zero" written. That was already presented as misleading in a previous thread. This tells me that the media is hugely affecting this situation. Why did it make the news to begin with? If it was never on the news some guy in Florida wouldn't be throwing a hissy fit about it. Similarly, why did some guy throwing a hissy fit over this make the news? If you wanna talk about potential violence that could be avoided then you should be talking about the media. They've got control of the cameras and the editing... whomever they play the bad-guy music for will be the bad guy.

Lumping people involved in the community center that happens to have a mosque in it with the people responsible for 911 is unfair. Not to stir things up too much, but I'd liken it to calling german people nazis. 911 is almost 10 years old and there's still crap like this going on. Why is that?

[MMM]

Rev. Jones is saying he has cancelled the event because the Imam in NYC agreed to move the Islamic Center further away from Ground Zero.

The Imam is saying he make no promise of that kind at all.

[x2cool]

So doesn't this mean that everything is just back where it started?

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by steven

Which is a cause of religious intolerance.

Indeed. I'm bouncing off the idea that there's more than one aspect of victory, in this case. The fact that people can suggest resolving something like this is a certain victory, acknowledging that there is also a dynamic of principle at stake. It is being somewhat simplistic, but it's not without some value.

Eitherway, as I said: Time will tell. I won't get too comfortable until they announce actual results.