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Welfare In Japan - 10-30-2010, 12:20 PM

Today on the UK news broadcast there seems to be ideas taken from the Japanese system regarding Welfare.

The suggestion is that people should volunteer and look after the elderly or those in need of some kind of care and support at home,

The idea is that if you voluntarily help to care for somebody you will get credits towards your own care when you will need it.

Apparently doing the shopping will not give as many credit points as actually helping inside the home,

does this really happen in Japan?


My japanese friend tells me that the welfare system in Japan is very poor.

she may be forced to return to Japan to care for her sick brother and sister in law because they cannot get any help themselves.

I wonder about the care of the elderly-- or the disabled in Japan.
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10-30-2010, 02:04 PM

The UK can never base a social system on Japan.
The UK has no family units anymore and the amount of single parent families in the UK is growing fast. The old get farmed out to expensive retreatments at the cost of the house they bought if they are lucky, otherwise end up in subhuman conditions in overfunded (read as "money leeching") care homes.

The amount of drain on the social system in the UK by the lazy, the uneducated, the criminal, the immigrant, the (fake) disabled, the middle class housewives, the children factories (families that make kids for benefits), the ADHD kids (read this as bad diet), the que jumpers (people who lie to get high benefit rankings) and the medical tourists, is beyond comparison.
This free meal ticket for the human leeches listed above is a sure indication that the people it was designed to help will be tossed into the pit with no second thought.

Back to Japan. Where things are also not so good, BUT!
It is very hard for the leech people to do any damage here because it is also hard for regular people. Why come to Japan to get a tiny handout when the UK is giving bucketloads for a housewife about to drop another earner.

The other major thing, that is sadly on the decline in Japan, is FAMILY!
Japan in general has people that care for their own family, no matter how hard.
You shipped your old mum off to the "Happy Nursing Center" cause you didn't like cleaning the shit off of her ancient ass! Pop's is pissing all over the place cause his bladder don't work anymore. Off to the nursing home for Pops!

In Japan it is understood that YOU shit and pissed yourself and done all manor of nasty things when they bought you into the world. When they get old, you are expected to repay the favour.

It is understood that people help people, family helps family. This is the Japanese way (slowly being lost). In the west it is "dog eats dog" and "strong rule weak" which means that if you can't do good, do bad.

I feel that even as Japan looses the fundimental spirit of it's society, it still has a very long way to go before it reaches the UK's level of moral debasement.
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10-30-2010, 02:37 PM

Is it a thing of the welfare point?
A basic welfare system is a different system.
The municipality and the nonprofit organization are doing.

A spry elderly helps nursing.
The pay or the nursing point is given.

Measures for aging, elderly's job security, care worker shortfall
A subsystem to respond by the problem of these three mainly.


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Is it a thing of the welfare point?
A basic welfare system is a different system.
The municipality and the nonprofit organization are doing.

A spry elderly helps nursing.
The pay or the nursing point is given.

Measures for aging, elderly's job security, care worker shortfall
A subsystem to respond by the problem of these three mainly.
Any social welfare system in the west and more so in the UK is open to abuse from people who see money as the primary motivator. If you had a system of old people helping older people, then there would be a private agency set up in short measure to hire old people and take a big cut of the rates/points gained by the "worker".

"Nonprofit" (HAH!) is a term used to hide a massive fraud by securing funds ment for needy people and diverting over 90% of the fund to administrative tasks. Point... We need to send 50 aid workers to Somalia. We will hire a private aircraft to take them there and fill it with things the Somali's need.
So most of the shit in the hold is donated by the good people for free.
The cost of the trip for the 3 doctors, the 2 survayors, the 3 builders and one english teacher (plus the additional 41 administrators/tourists) for 3 weeks came to £640,000

Edit: I only know this as I was the English teacher, and on saving my details to the Excel folder of the organisation, I happened to see the overall budget spreadsheet. I opened that sheet and was shocked at the figures.
For us unlucky 9 there was 21 days of fun filled hard work in over 15 locations. For the remaining 41 there were hotels, spa's and banquets all lined up in the interest of courting the next jolly trip.

For us 9, we had the great honour of unloading the hold and setting up a collection point for the locals. The doctors were almost in a rage, they had come here to help people with medical complaints, not to hand out UK junk.
The surveyors and builders ended up doing nothing but menial tasks for 3 weeks, while the doctors spent most of their time handing out bundles of antibiotics to the locals for any given problem. (those poor doc's really didn't know what shit had been packed for them) as they did not even have enough of the basics like asprin and bandages, let alone sterile sutures.

So as people trying to help a NPO we soon found out that, not only were we being paid a handsom fee for our time and skill. But a class of human leech were also enjoying a free dinner on the backs of very poor people.

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Any social welfare system in the west and more so in the UK is open to abuse from people who see money as the primary motivator. If you had a system of old people helping older people, then there would be a private agency set up in short measure to hire old people and take a big cut of the rates/points gained by the "worker".

"Nonprofit" (HAH!) is a term used to hide a massive fraud by securing funds ment for needy people and diverting over 90% of the fund to administrative tasks. Point... We need to send 50 aid workers to Somalia. We will hire a private aircraft to take them there and fill it with things the Somali's need.
So most of the shit in the hold is donated by the good people for free.
The cost of the trip for the 3 doctors, the 2 survayors, the 3 builders and one english teacher (plus the additional 41 administrators/tourists) for 3 weeks came to £640,000
hi robot you post with feeling but please please can you leave out the S**t word.
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hi robot you post with feeling but please please can you leave out the S**t word.
Really, in this instance! You should have seen the quality of the UK donations we had to unload.
I felt so much more dirty after unloading that s**t then I ever felt around the poor people that looked at it as some sort of treasure.

It was truely S***, it was about 2.5 tonnes of stinking clothes and toy's that would in any other instance be deemed a health hazard. I was up to my shoulders in it, and it really was S***

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10-30-2010, 04:21 PM

thats awful robot., were you in Somalia>

Yes its insane that all that money is wasted on transporting these people.

why are the goods shipped out so awful? Is it the way they have been kept or not washed? etc.


Not everyone here are leeches. with all the forced redundancies many people are forced out of work.


The high cost of housing causes a lot of hardship and the greedy landlords that charge ridiculously high rent-- takes most of a workers wages. certainly with my family.


In the days when there was council housing more people had a hope of renting property at a fair price.

everything changed here when so called care in the community came into being. Plus Margaret thatchers policies.

The aim is for the elderly to remain at home and be cared for in their own home, but the social services never have enough staff to fulfil their needs.


our current coalition govt is whizzing through so many radical cuts and changes-- I dread to think of the outcome.

workers who are in the care system usually are very badly paid.

So there is less care here than there used to be.

It is lazy leeches who do just take take take-- but not all workers are like that. They struggle just to make ends meet. which is why I wonder so many are keen to come to live here.
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thats awful robot., were you in Somalia>
Yes, and it was awful like I expected, apart from the fact that I thought we were there to help but never came near to that goal. This is also a well known charity so I thought I would be doing something.

Yes its insane that all that money is wasted on transporting these people.

why are the goods shipped out so awful? Is it the way they have been kept or not washed? etc.
Well, I was shown around the warehouse before this stuff was taken to be loaded on the plane and I saw a great deal of really good stuff. I expected to see this gear when we unloaded in Somalia!?! for some reason I never learned, they had shipped unsorted and mostly unwashed items that were nothing like what I had seen at the warehouse.

Not everyone here are leeches. with all the forced redundancies many people are forced out of work.
Yes. That is exactly the reason for the system in the first place. To help people who need it, not people who demand it!

The high cost of housing causes a lot of hardship and the greedy landlords that charge ridiculously high rent-- takes most of a workers wages. certainly with my family.
This is from the country that had OVER 3 regular TV programs every day showing how you could buy a house for cheap, slap some paint on and sell it for a good profit!

In the days when there was council housing more people had a hope of renting property at a fair price.
Until people realised "right to buy" was a gift horse and bought their council house for cheap, only to cash in by re-selling. This was done on a massive scale and pushed the market into a frenzy.

everything changed here when so called care in the community came into being. Plus Margaret thatchers policies.
While I didn't agree with her policies I sure loved her style. She still has more balls then any of the pale twats in the picture today.
The aim is for the elderly to remain at home and be cared for in their own home, but the social services never have enough staff to fulfil their needs.
Yes, if their own home is not taken from them to pay for the help in the mannor it is currently.

our current coalition govt is whizzing through so many radical cuts and changes-- I dread to think of the outcome.
The outcome is failure!
workers who are in the care system usually are very badly paid.
Unlike bankers, who make billion pound mistakes and get a bonus for putting everyone in a sinking ship.
So there is less care here than there used to be.
I would say that people there, now care less. Unless you are talking money of course. Then it's everyone down to Tesco to buy 10 lucky dips as it's a rollover this week.
It is lazy leeches who do just take take take-- but not all workers are like that. They struggle just to make ends meet. which is why I wonder so many are keen to come to live here.
Not all workers are like that, but enough people abuse the system for it to fail the people it was set up to help. People from poorer EU countries see that, get told that and dream of that. Get to England and you can get more money in one month then you earn in a year, and guess what! You don't even have to work to earn it!
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What kind of relation do a nonprofit volunteer group of a welfare major and Somalia have?

Somalia.......confidence woman!!!
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