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11-03-2010, 05:28 PM

"Maybe We Can't"

huhu.. I watched the slogan on The Daily Show..
really loved the show..
felt sorry for the Dems since the lost a lot of seats..
But I guess Obama will stand up for this..
just watch~


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11-03-2010, 06:11 PM

So reps are the majority now?
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11-03-2010, 06:25 PM

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So reps are the majority now?
They have a majority in the House but not the Senate. Don't know how much of an effect this will have since things go from congress to senate to president. So just because republicans pass something in congress it will be harder to pass through the senate, and if it does Obama can veto it. So it seems like republicans and democrats are going to have to work together right?
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11-03-2010, 08:17 PM

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They have a majority in the House but not the Senate. Don't know how much of an effect this will have since things go from congress to senate to president. So just because republicans pass something in congress it will be harder to pass through the senate, and if it does Obama can veto it. So it seems like republicans and democrats are going to have to work together right?
Where you said "congress" you mean the House. "Congress" is made up of the House and the Senate.

Bills don't have to pass from the House to the Senate; either the House or the Senate can draft a bill. If the bill passes in that body, it is sent to the other body, where it may be passed, amended, or rejected. If amended, the two bodies must then come to agreement on the bill's final contents before it can reach the President for his approval.

If the President vetoes the bill, it can still pass if both the House and the Senate can get enough votes (a 2/3 majority) to override the veto.

But your basic point is correct. Since the U.S. now has a split Congress (a Republican majority in the House, and apparently a slim Democratic majority in the Senate), it will be more difficult for bills to make it to the President, and it will be much more difficult for Congress to override a veto.
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11-03-2010, 09:14 PM

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Sorry if it seems like a rather stupid question, but what is the difference between the House of Representatives and the Senate, and what is it that both do?
Not a stupid question at all. For one thing, you come from a rather different political system.

The job of both bodies is to draft laws, and each body also acts as a check on the other body's power. The key feature of the House of Representatives is that its representation is proportional to population. The entire country is divided into districts (Congressional Districts) based on equal populations, and each district elects a Representative. (Each state always gets at least one Representative, no matter how small its population.) Representatives come up for re-election every two years.

The Senate, on the other hand, is evenly distributed by state. Each state gets exactly two Senators. Senators come up for re-election every six years, but the elections are staggered so that only one third of Senators are up for re-election every two years.

Because the Senate is evenly distributed by state, it can prevent bills from the House from trampling the interests of the low-population states who have low representation in the Senate. Likewise, the House can keep the Senate from enacting legislation that goes too far against the interests of the majority population.

Both House and Senate must act together for bills to become law. Either the House or the Senate can draft a bill, which may be approved, rejected, or amended by the other body, but the final bill must be agreed to by both bodies before it can pass to the President for his approval. If the President vetoes the bill, it can still become law if both House and Senate override the veto with a two-thirds majority vote in each.

The Senate has some special privileges reserved for itself, as does the House. The Senate's agreement is required for treaties being signed with other nations, and it must confirm candidates for the President's Cabinet, other important officials of the Executive branch, important military officers, and Federal judges. Revenue bills (those responsible for imposing taxes) must be initiated in the House, and in practice the House also initiates appropriations bills (those which determine how the Federal budget will be spent).

If a Federal official (including the President) is to be tried for crimes while in office, that official must first be "impeached" (charged with a crime) by the House, and then the official must be tried by the Senate, which determines whether or not the official is found guilty.

I hope that makes things a bit clearer. The English Wikipedia articles go into great detail on both bodies.
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11-03-2010, 09:15 PM

What it means is the Republicans are going to do all they can to make sure nothing happens for the next two years to ensure they get the presidency in 2012. What is the big deal? There are three Supreme Court justices in their mid-to-late 70s that will probably be retiring in the next 2 to 6 years. The president chooses who the new justices will be, and that can be one of the most influential decisions of any presidency. Right now it is a 5-4 conservative court. That could get even more conservative if there were a Repub. president.
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11-04-2010, 03:00 AM

They do this all the time, switch back and forth and then nothing happens for years. It's partly designed to be useless, hence the three different branches. The orginal framers concluded the more fractured government was, the less centralized power would become and the people would be safer for it.

Governments that truely work quickly and effciently are useually unfriendly to the general population.
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11-04-2010, 04:05 AM

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Yeah, I told my friends I was glad I had already moved to Japan before America screwed itself.

Comical, to say the least. You left a country which has by far the world's largest economy, where a normal person has the greatest possible chance of achieving his dreams. And you moved to a country with the world's largest national debt, which is facing negative population growth, and whose shrinking economy will eventually lead to national disaster.

Japan has been screwing itself for more than a decade, and economists are predicting Japan will be unable to avoid defaulting on it's debt. I hope you have a ticket put away to get you home once that happens.

The one thing which is screwing America is the rampant ignorance which pervades it's society. People talk about what is good or bad about politics or the government and are happy to give their opinions about both subjects. In the meantime these same people would be unable to name the vice president, their state senators, or the congressmen of their districts. It's laughable.
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11-04-2010, 05:18 AM

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Comical, to say the least. You left a country which has by far the world's largest economy, where a normal person has the greatest possible chance of achieving his dreams. And you moved to a country with the world's largest national debt, which is facing negative population growth, and whose shrinking economy will eventually lead to national disaster.

Japan has been screwing itself for more than a decade, and economists are predicting Japan will be unable to avoid defaulting on it's debt. I hope you have a ticket put away to get you home once that happens.

The one thing which is screwing America is the rampant ignorance which pervades it's society. People talk about what is good or bad about politics or the government and are happy to give their opinions about both subjects. In the meantime these same people would be unable to name the vice president, their state senators, or the congressmen of their districts. It's laughable.
We don't always agree, Sangetsu. Today we do.
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11-04-2010, 05:40 AM

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The one thing which is screwing America is the rampant ignorance which pervades it's society. People talk about what is good or bad about politics or the government and are happy to give their opinions about both subjects. In the meantime these same people would be unable to name the vice president, their state senators, or the congressmen of their districts. It's laughable.
Guess how many of my peers took the initiative to vote this week, for the sole interest in legalizing Marijuana in CA? Lots. Guess how many know what they're talking about in politics 75% of the time? Close to none -- unless it involves weed, Obama, or the "The Right to Freedom of Speech." ~ respectfully informed subjectively, of course.

I'm not the most educated on politics, but it does seem ridiculous when people can't even name the Vice President.

Republican or Democrat... it's pointless if you're ignorant.

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