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Well he ended combat operations in Iraq a couple months ago. There are still a lot of troops there, and they need to come home.
He just sent all the troops to Afghanistan. Ironic, no one would back Bush when he wanted more troops, but they gave Obama his support... why?

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What aggression has Obama shown? What wars has he started?
After he won the election, he promised dialogue and diplomacy with Iran. Mahmoud responded positively and cautiously, and was open. In the end, Obama demanded Iran submit to US authority and do everything it asked. Same old same old.

He's no different with any of his middle east policies, and is just as likely to start another war there as Bush was if he does not get his way.

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Based on what?
Based on she's been running around the planet "talking tough" and making threats. All the while she does it with a conniving grin on her face that sickens me. At least the Bush administration could hold a straight face and just tell people they'll get nuked if they don't get on their knees.


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11-07-2010, 08:18 PM

Your revisions of history make it hard for me to respond.
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11-09-2010, 08:32 PM

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You have the option not to vote at all. You come off as "my enemies enemy is my friend" - well, I've often said that line as well (specifially in supporting radical Iran just because I dislike Israel more). Nonetheless, you did vote for just another fascist war monger.
No, being my enemy's enemy does not automatically make you my friend. That is your logic, not mine. It was, however, a choice between the lesser of two evils.

Obama is not a facist war monger, though he is clearly out of his league as the Chief Exec of this country. I chose to risk having the country left in limbo for 4 years until hopefully a better leader is found, rather than to turn it over to someone with McCain's history and way of thinking.

I specifically voted to stop McCain who called upon the leaders of the KKK to help with his last several campaigns. Not to vote is to let apathy take the lead and shirk responsibility as a citizen. But then you wouldn't have 1st hand experience with that there, would you? Thailand is not exactly known for free or honest elections or leaders either, is it?


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Obama is not a facist war monger,
Inteference in the running of foreign countires, wasn't their business. Even through peaceful deals, still manipulating and controling, dictating to others what they ought to and ought not to do, not allowing them any free choice or struggle of their own.

The rest of the world cannot vote in the US election, yet the US thinks it has a right to dictate to us? That's fascism.



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Inteference in the running of foreign countires, wasn't their business. Even through peaceful deals, still manipulating and controling, dictating to others what they ought to and ought not to do, not allowing them any free choice or struggle of their own.
The US cannot tell any country what to do. Every country in the world looks out for itself in dealing with international relations.
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11-10-2010, 10:43 AM

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Inteference in the running of foreign countires, wasn't their business. Even through peaceful deals, still manipulating and controling, dictating to others what they ought to and ought not to do, not allowing them any free choice or struggle of their own.

The rest of the world cannot vote in the US election, yet the US thinks it has a right to dictate to us? That's fascism.

Well I'm screwed! I'm always in either France or Britain

On a serious note, you do realise that, that video is pure propaganda... I've got a chapter on this type of video in one of my psychology books. Basically, the gist of it is, you start the video by stating correct facts, generally positive ones about the subject. This gets the viewer hooked and thinks, wow, this person is right and is impartial.

Then gradually, it gets to the real stuff. It mentions things that most average people don't know, twists the facts and makes them seem real. All the while, the viewer still believes that this is an impartial video. By the end of it, most educated people in the subject will simply laugh at the ridiculousness of what's being shown.


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The US cannot tell any country what to do. Every country in the world looks out for itself in dealing with international relations.
Just like a bully in a playground can't tell any other kid what to do?

Wake up, MMM, I'm not bashing Americans, but you surely know what your government is doing abroad?


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Well I'm screwed! I'm always in either France or Britain

On a serious note, you do realise that, that video is pure propaganda... I've got a chapter on this type of video in one of my psychology books. Basically, the gist of it is, you start the video by stating correct facts, generally positive ones about the subject. This gets the viewer hooked and thinks, wow, this person is right and is impartial.

Then gradually, it gets to the real stuff. It mentions things that most average people don't know, twists the facts and makes them seem real. All the while, the viewer still believes that this is an impartial video. By the end of it, most educated people in the subject will simply laugh at the ridiculousness of what's being shown.


If I took the time, I'm pretty sure I could convince you that Algeria will be the next superpower of the century. But the truth is, Algeria is a dump!!!!
So you disagree that US foreign policy is fascism?

I would have thought a Muslim of all people would understand, with their manipulation of the middle east and oppression of your people.


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11-11-2010, 10:08 AM

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So you disagree that US foreign policy is fascism?

I would have thought a Muslim of all people would understand, with their manipulation of the middle east and oppression of your people.
If I was to have that kind of opinion AS A MUSLIM, it would be against the west in general, not the US. After the few centuries of peace, it was the English and French that started s**t againt, not the Americans. The US is just continuing this war that's started over a thousand years ago!

As for whether US foreign policy is fascism; I don't think so! Compared to other great civilisations in history, the US hasn't done much! It's started a few wars here and there, but it hasn't tried to take over the world in a fascist way!

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11-11-2010, 10:16 AM

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Just like a bully in a playground can't tell any other kid what to do?

Wake up, MMM, I'm not bashing Americans, but you surely know what your government is doing abroad?
You have been saying this for years, Tenchu.
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