Election Day in America, 2010

[KyokoUK]

Ok, well your 3 points are 4 (giggles) good reasons so I see what you are saying about him now.

[NanteNa]

I'm pro Obama all the way, and I think people need to be a little more realistic in terms of him 'stabilizing' the economy. He's the President - he can only do so much. Some things are just out of his hands. I think his welfare ideas are a great start; but it's super anal of some people to refuse to pay more taxes, just because they don't get sick themselves and because they don't want to help out some of their fellow citizens that are less fortunate. Paying that bit more in taxes really isn't that bad. In my country the general income tax (for EVERYONE) is between 40-70%. Now THAT'S f'ed up.
Obama is not a God or a superior spirit of some sort - he's human. He's TRYING and he's doing a good job! It took the United States of American 43 presidents before Obama to even get a black president. It'll take a bit more than 2 years to fix a rotten economy. Trust me.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by evanny

nature?
i think thats last thing they want. first thing for them is "to get back old america".
repeal obamas health care for deficit fix etc.
btw.why they just don't cut military budget? america has like bigger budget than next 15 countries combined and usa is allied with all of them.

But what is "get back old America" mean?

Tea Party followers are often asked this, and you'll never hear the same answer twice and never with specifics.

Originally Posted by KuranUSA

You see a lot of this on the news over here as well.

Tea Baggers: Former slaves who after the civil war rounded up other ex-slaves and sold them off again.Probably not what you meant.

Tea Party: A republican based political group who organise rallys,etc.

Correct me if i'm wrong on the tea baggers. There's far too much tea in american history...

Tea Bagger is a derogatory term used to describe members of the Tea Party movement. Their name is based on the revolution which happened during the Boston Tea Party in 1773.

The Tea Party movement is not a political party. They are an extremely conservative part of the Republican Party.

[KuranUSA]

Ahhhhhhh,fair enough. Like I said,far too much tea.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by KuranUSA

Errmmmm.....taxes have only gone up in in U.S for those who are economically considered to be lower high class or above. Obama has instituted policies that,as he himself has put it,'Spread the wealth' so that those who work hard have to turn around and,in some cases, give almost 60% of their hard earned money around to support those people who can't be bothered to work.

An entire generation has been trained in America to belive that the rest of the country'owes them',and as such they shouldn't have to work,merely que up at the county courthouse every week to get 'their' money,all at taxpayer's expense.

apart from that,oh yes,brilliant. Obama got elected based on his campaign of'change'. well,it certainly has changed. The american dream that has supported the country for two hundred years is in ruins all becuase of socalist policies from a man who isn't even legally allowed to be president.

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Taxes have not gone up. The administration is debating now whether or not to keep the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. The tax cuts were put in place with hopes more money would be spread about the country. As a result we went into the worst recession in a century.

Kuran, you seem like a nice person, but I think you are getting very poor information. Misinformation is part of the strategy of the right. Pres. Obama IS the American dream.

Do you REALLY think if it were illegal for Obama to be president he would be sitting in the White House?

Originally Posted by KuranUSA

3% off a dollar over 200k a year is 6 thousand dollars(if you make 200k a year.) Let's take that off of your paycheck and see if it's 'too noticable'.

You are not getting it. 3% a dollar AFTER 200k. So if you made $200,001 it would be $0.03.

[KuranUSA]

Originally Posted by MMM

Pres. Obama IS the American dream.

Do you REALLY think if it were illegal for Obama to be president he would be sitting in the White House?

First,how is Obama the american dream?

Second,the unfortunate truth is,just because it's illegial,dosen't mean it dosen't happen. To this day,approaching two years since he took office,the obama administration has failed to provide even a birth certificate,let alone proof that he is even a citizen of the united states. The supposed transparency policy that he ran with in his campaign is nowhere to be seen.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by KuranUSA

In order to be president,there are a number of things you need to present. Like,for example,a birth certificate that isn't a forgery. Proof that you are a citizen of the country. None of those have been provided for Obama.

You are simply wrong, Kuran.

snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate

Originally Posted by KuranUSA

First,how is Obama the american dream?

Second,the unfortunate truth is,just because it's illegial,dosen't mean it dosen't happen. To this day,approaching two years since he took office,the obama administration has failed to provide even a birth certificate,let alone proof that he is even a citizen of the united states. The supposed transparency policy that he ran with in his campaign is nowhere to be seen.

The fact that a mixed race child from a broken home could grow up and become the president of the United States is the definition of the American Dream.

Originally Posted by KyokoUK

Oh...I have a question about evanny's comments about America not being a facsious government. If they aren't why do they have the one major symbol of it, the fascius, the axe made of a bundle of smaller rods around a single center rod with the axe head through it? Isn't that sort of telling? And what having to "show your papers" at every turn? I know from being there a few years that you can hardly go anywhere without some police wanting to see your ID card. In England we just defeated, happly, an attempt at a law to force all us to carry picture ID's that could be checked every time we turn around. That's what passports are for. I think you may be closer to the old goose step than you think.

Where are you seeing a fascist symbol used in the US government?

[KyokoUK]

Originally Posted by MMM

You are simply wrong, Kuran.

Where are you seeing a fascist symbol used in the US government?

He may be wrong but he's damned cute and really hot

And those facius axes are carved left and right of the speaker's podium in one of the houses of your congress. they were those axes I described above and carried by the Romans and adopted by Hitler and are the root of the word fascist.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by KyokoUK

He may be wrong but he's damned cute and really hot

And those facius axes are carved left and right of the speaker's podium in one of the houses of your congress. they were those axes I described above and carried by the Romans and adopted by Hitler and are the root of the word fascist.

You raise an interesting point that I had never heard before, and a little research has enlightened me on the issue.

Just as the Nazis adopted the swastika as their own, although it is seen all over the world used in different ways, this symbol was adopted not by Hitler, but by the Italian fascists in WWII.

The same symbol does appear in Washington DC, but has been used long before it was used by Italian fascists. It "traditionally symbolizes summary power and jurisdiction, and/or 'strength through unity'".

The fasces appear on the Lincoln Memorial, but it should be kept in mind that the Lincoln Memorial was dedicated 15+ years before WWII started and the symbol was adopted by fascists.

[evanny]

Originally Posted by MMM

But what is "get back old America" mean?

i would say old america that was in 50's. blacks with no rights, gays will be an unknown word, taxing people as they please and were cooperation have far less power.
but still. biggest thing about "Obama is the dream" is that apparently great deal of americans don't want a black president. i have some data to back this up. when election came in 2008 only demographic voting for Obama more than against was youth.18-25 was underlying age? that day he got 30 million kids to vote for him and won because of them. so he isn't appealing to people who are not of new generation that has less stereotypes and ignorance.

and I just love how you MMM just shine light in every topic i went with what said kuranUSA after our debate since he lives there and seemed to know politics and yet he was more misinformed than me.

P.S we also have a swastika tilted in an angle a little. it represents Fire cross or "Laimas" (goddess) cross.