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11-12-2010, 03:38 AM
GoNative,
Sorry I lost track of the thread in which I made a rather critical post. It was more toward WingsToDiscovery, but I saw your reply and when I did, I was a bit too drunk... I was going to reply to you in there when I was somewhat sober, but before I could find that thread, I saw this one so I'll post here. First of all, as I said before, I don't think you are a hater. I think you love, or at least like, Japan, which is very cool. But look at this. BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Rape case ruling shocks Australia And think about the fact that Australia has 70 times more rape cases per capita. http://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/seventh_survey/7sc.pdf you can say Japanese police cover it up and things like that but still, 70 times ??? Isn't THAT absolutely disgusting? I mean we are talking real rape victims here. It's totally normal to be disgusted by some Japanese magazines, I am sometimes too. But you AUTOMATICALLY assumed Japan is retarded. Japanese people have very different ideas on the freedom of speech, what is liberal and what is a more advanced country. Many people actually think your culture is retarded and the numbers by the United Nations support that. It's easy to get carried away and be judgmental when we come across things like this about a foreign country. Me included. So let's get the facts down. Does Japan have more rape cases than western countries? Hell no. I repeat. 70 times more cases per capita in Australia. Does Japan have more child molestation cases? Most likely not. Then why, I really mean WHY?, did you think Japan was similar to how western countries had been "years back"? Everybody has prejudice. I have it too. It is the function of our brains. If you keep putting your hand into a fire just because you are so liberal and think just this time it may not burn, you'll die soon. But I think it is important to at least acknowledge we all are innately prejudiced. 
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11-12-2010, 04:39 AM
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The eternal Saint is calling, through the ages she has told. The ages have not listened; the will of faith has grown old…
For forever she will wander, for forever she withholds; the Demon King is on his way, you’d best not be learned untold…
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11-12-2010, 04:54 AM
I'm sorry, but I have no idea whatsoever what you are intending to say Tenchu. What is your point?
Oh, you have "an eye for these things". I definitely don't have "an eye for these things" and it's beyond my imagination what you are seeing, so what do I know.
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11-12-2010, 05:00 AM
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His point is that Western society is "morally superior" (whatever that entails in his mind) to Japanese society. I would say that is what GoNative is implying too.
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11-12-2010, 05:22 AM
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 We men are bad. We think we are the best. hehe. It's OK he thinks he's superior. It's how he takes the counter criticism where his real manliness is proved, methinks.
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11-12-2010, 05:26 AM
Cranks what happens in other countries makes little difference to how I feel about children being used as objects for pornography. Specifically having magazines and movies of underage children in provacative poses is wrong as far as I'm concerned whatever country it's found in. I'm sure you might be able to find worse examples from other countries but that doesn't make it right.
I did not automatically assume Japan is retarded. I live here and see something like children being depitcted provacatively for the purposes of pornography and I think it's bad. If I saw something similar in any other country I was in I would think it's bad. It's nothing to do with specifically making it out that Japan is the only place it happens, I just happen to live here. In terms of rape I believe the Japanese courts and police are barely at the same level of where most western countries were at in the 70's. We all know that in years gone by reporting of rape in the west was minimal because women were generally treated abysmally through the whole process of pressing charges and going to court and often felt they themselves were on trial rather than the accused. They were made to relive the entire experience in front of the accussed and every decision they made was brought into question as though they played a part in bringing it upon themselves. I believe Japan is in a similar position currently and a large portion of rapes go unreported for this reason. I'm not the only person around who believes there needs to be a massive overhaul of the Japanese legal system. There is a large movement from Japanese lawyers and many other rights groups here in Japan and there has been considerable pressure from institutions like the UN to overhaul it's system. It's not just the laws themselves that need to be overhauled but it's the way the courts work. The incredible reliance on confessions is a real worry when the police can hold people without charge for long periods and no legal reprasentative is allowed to be present during questioning and no recording of the interviews are kept. And it's often at the expense of building cases on physical and forensic evidence. Without the confession they often have little to go on and the case never gets to court. This article gives one rape victims perspective and a look at the issues for women who are raped in Japan. It also shows that according to the Justice Ministry only 11% of sexual crimes are reported. Rights groups believe it's even worse than that. Victims finally learning to speak out against Japan’s outdated rape laws Sure in places like Australia rapes still occurs but much has been done to assist the victims to encourage them to seek justice. In Japan that has really yet to happen. Again this is not about Japan bashing, it's just there are many aspects about the legal system here that are frankly archaic and concerning. It's not just concerning from a foreigners point of view, many Japanese are also very concerned and I'm not expressing any attitude here that isn't also expressed by many Japanese. Finally I don't live in Australia anymore so what happens there is not overly my concern. And what happens in Australia doesn't make any difference to the issues present in Japan. If it's worse in other parts of the world what does that mean to me? I live Japan so what happens here is far more concerning to me especially for things like rape since I'm raising a daughter here. Quote:
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11-12-2010, 05:43 AM
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For over a hundred years,Australia was used as a large prison colony for English criminals. There was a period during which if you committed any crime at all,from stealing a loaf of bread to rape to murder,you were shipped off to Australia. Before I continue I will point out that I have known several Australians over the years,and found most of them to be very nice people. But. The fact of the matter is that Australia's populace was formed mainly on Criminals. Killer John Doe might have met thief Jane Doe once off the boats,and had little Jhonny Doe jr. Jhonny was brought up based on the morals of mom and dad,which would be somewhat looser than the average,for example. So,in Australia,crime is not seen as such a bad thing. Even if your average australian person dosen't commit crimes,and is a law abiding citizen,there is a part of their mind that still carries that ancestral memory of,kill rape pillage plunder. Note,as I've said,this was nothing against the australians,merely my observations on history. [/opinion]
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