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11-12-2010, 07:25 AM
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You really haven't seen any of this genre if you believe it's in the same category as beauty paegents  
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11-12-2010, 07:26 AM
Well it isn't hands on, and it isn't necessarily promoting child molestation, since the magazines are geared toward adults, who can make sane rational choices. I know it is a form of exploitation on the child's part but I personally don't think it is to severe. The attraction to little girls is a subjective thing anyway. I don't know. I say if it makes money and helps that "special brand" of human being vent their sick urge then its easy to overlook as an issue. There are always going to be pedo
 out there... I do know of the underground child "porn" rings out there though. Now that is unfortunate, but hard to identify and regulate. The house of reps tried to propose a regulation law in 08, mainly because they wanted to dig and see what they could find regarding child abuse. It stated that all forms of child "pornography" be made illegal and punishable by law. Including the swim suit sort, but it was a flop because a poll showed that most citizens objected to the idea. Mainly because of economic reasons, and that the children being portrayed in main stream magazines were not being subjected to physical or sexual harm in any way, as far as they know of course. I guess, that it really wouldn't put hole in the industry if it were gone though. I personally don't care either way, but this is a fun topic. Of course im lying, when I say don't care.
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11-12-2010, 07:27 AM
A bit late to the discussion - but my feelings on the child models and the like are probably a sign that I`ve been here far too long... Or that I`ve been too far removed from the western morality during the important formative years.
Personally, I find nothing even distasteful about the child models. It isn`t all little girls - about a third are little boys. The important part is that it doesn`t cross a certain line of actually causing harm to the child. A little girl in a bathing suit is in no more revealing clothing than she is when swimming - posing and imitating the popular idols is not asking her to perform pornography. I do find distaste with the handful of guys who lust after them - but in the end, what does it matter? As long as a line is never crossed and the child is never harmed, what is so horrific? The child models generally are aiming to be idols, models, or actors/actresses. Most of the famous models and idol groups started out in the child model scene. Anyway - I think a lot of my feelings on this have to do with my position on pedophiles. I feel that it`s sick and unnatural, but that it is something that the individual most likely has no control over. What they do control is whether they act on it. There are countless men out there who have incredibly horrific fantasies and fetishes - but that doesn`t mean they cannot control themselves to not go out and force that on someone. Just as those men with horrible or illegal fetishes (like rape fetishes) are expected to control their desires and live with just fantasizing... As long as pedophiles can control their desires and survive with just fantasizing - why should I care what goes on in their head? If someone wants to fantasize about, say, raping me - as long as I do not know about it and as long as they do not actually do it... I really don`t care. The same goes for my own child - if someone wants to fantasize about doing sexual things with him... As long as it stays in private fantasy and never happens, I do not really care. In the past I received some comments (not here) about posting the number of photos of my son online as I have. The argument was that somewhere, someone may be looking at them and masturbating (gasp and horror!) My response to that is and was - So? It in no way harms my son. And if some pedophile can get off at looking at non-pornographic photos of children, all the better! Hopefully fewer children will be harmed through actual actions or child pornography - things that are absolutely abominable and should never be forgiven. I would be very happy if all the pedophiles were able to satisfy themselves with non-pornographic model imagery and 2D pornography instead of any child ever being harmed. Acting on such urges is no different than anyone acting on an urge to forcibly do something sexual to another. I don`t believe that the subject of fantasy should have any bearing to the ability to control oneself. Everyone fantasizes about something or other - it is only those that act on those fantasies who are in the wrong. Quote:
It was because of anything that could be considered a sexual depiction of a child being barred from publishing and censored. The objection came almost entirely to the fact that it covered art and literature. Any piece of art, any manga, any book, anything in which a young person of questionable age was shown or depicted in a sexual manner - including fiction aimed at young adults - would be barred from publishing or censored and open doors for the artist / author be prosecuted for child pornography. There was no debate about it in regard to real children. But considering any picture or piece of writing on the same level as a video of someone raping an innocent child is ridiculous - so the law received strong (and justified) objection. They later failed to see the point and put it up again with literature removed from the thing, but still the same hard line on art... And obviously received just as much objection. If they`d just limit it to real child pornography, there would be little difficulty in passing it... People are as disgusted by children being harmed as they are elsewhere. But they keep trying to sneak in ways to censor other forms of media that could be considered suspicious even if no child was ever involved.
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11-12-2010, 07:33 AM
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11-12-2010, 07:37 AM
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In a country where child rapes are prevalent and in a country they are not, there of course are policy differences. I agree, the Japanese policy about rape victims has a lot to be desired. But at the same time Japan didn't need strict policies due to the relatively low rate of the crime. If you want to say "Australia doesn't matter", then you REALLY have to drop it from your argument entirely and completely. It seems you are saying "Australia is like this, Japan should follow" in one post and "Australia doesn't matter" in others. Isn't 70 times higher rate of rape appalling? Seriously, for Japanese people the west or at least Australia is a country of 70 times higher rape rate. I don't thinks Japan should follow the policy of a country that has that dreadful rate of rape. Why should she? The policy is definitely failing isn't it?
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11-12-2010, 07:37 AM
My main issue Nyororin is that this genre is there as pornography. Sure any pervert can go the beach in summer and get his rocks off staring at kids in swimwear but to actually make a commercial industry out of it is in my opinion crossing the line. We shouldn't be using our children as sexual objects. There is harm in that as far as I'm concerned.
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11-12-2010, 07:42 AM
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11-12-2010, 07:55 AM
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I don`t like pornography. I find it generally distasteful that anyone is being seen or used as something sexual. But there is little difference to me whether the non-pornographic model is 20 or 10. As long as there is a market selling these things, there is less of an incentive for children to be forced into it and directly harmed. There is less incentive to covertly photograph children without permission. There is less incentive for someone to actually sit around at the beach ogling the kids (where even if he doesn`t actually act on it, someone could stumble on him and be traumatized.) With most of the child models, there is a strong culture of protectiveness around them. It is a weird world, but one that involves a lot of protectiveness rather than overt lust. The guys who obsess over these girls tend to want to be some sort of protective entity to them and to raise them to the beautiful (and sexual) woman their childhood appearance suggests. The guys tend to dish out cash more than anything to be an early sponsor for a girl they see having the potential to be an idol - it`s a huge status symbol in those circles to have been one of the sponsors for a popular idol from the very start... You will often hear them speaking of these girls with an almost father/brother-like pride at their success. It really is a different world than one of actual pornography.
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11-12-2010, 08:00 AM
I'm sorry to say this, but mostly, every beauty contest is a "pedo heaven". Rarely do you see in this contests girls over 18 years. And all are made with a swimwear parade filmed from almost every angle possible. They are mostly selling beauty, but besides that they are selling a bit of undercover and legal child porn.
Same for the mini beauty contest, for kids (those micro adults ones) have a swimwear part in it, and the DVD/CDs from those contest are selling like fresh bread. It's sickening that it's still considered legal such kind of stuff, even if it's covered like in the west, or open like in the east. "Manganese? Is that manga language?" - lol? 
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11-12-2010, 08:04 AM
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I would provide links to websites to illustrate how depraved some of this genre is but they are disgusting. I agree with protheus it's sickening whether it's legal, pesudo legal or illegal. Whatever form it takes it's exploitation of children and should be stopped in any country.
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