11/23/10 - North Korean artillery fire (2 SK marines dead)

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

Many of course would like to see a peaceful reunion.

That's true. I would also like to see a peaceful reunion -- or 'resolution', rather -- if it were possible.

Komitsuki, you mentioned that you are South Korean, am I correct? What do South Koreans mean when they suggest a reunion? On what terms would they have it? I have always suspected it as being somewhat of a misnomer.

Originally Posted by komitsuki

How I see it in South Korea. Yes. When this president came into power few years ago, he publically said that "I hate the North". First leader in 18 years to say so.

Originally Posted by komitsuki

The best way to maintain South Korea is to be pro-USA as well as being pro-North at the same time. That "rat" destoryed what South Korea represented the best.

The U.S. wouldn't bombard the South simply for not being Pro-American. At least, not from a martial standpoint. Your distrust of the media and goverment is relatable.

However...

When we are referring to North Korea, we may essentially be referring to Kim Jong Il or the leadership of their regime. After all, Kim Jong Il is today's North Korea. Does taking a Pro-North approach, to some degree, equate to supporting Kim Jong Il? Is it not safe to assume that everyone disagrees with Kim Jong Il's methods?

Don't misunderstand, I'm not standing up for the President, particularly. He may be as bad as you express of him to be. But that's not really my point. The President can be any cold-hearted dog, but I mean to exhibit the principle of the nation, in general. If the South truly wanted to be an independant entity (reunited or not) shouldn't the freedom to choose be valued? Or is there an implied willingness to fall under the North's control?


I'm sorry for the questions. I'm really trying to understand the argument.

[dannavy85]

Deja-vu all over again.

You can only trust the internet responses by the internet users here. For that matter, citizen journalism is more important and reliable than reputable journalism in South Korea.

Good luck with that. With the National Prosecutor and the Blue House's official Supervisors are under crisis with the help from the ruling party. Let's see how South Korea handles this in 3 months.

You can't trust anything coming from the mouth of a North Korean stooge.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Just to let you know, the South Korean public doesn't know the difference between pro-North and North-tolerant. Vis-a-vis to this situation, North-tolerant will be treated as pro-North.

I'm telling you that there is a difference between the two in the ENGLISH language which you are using at the moment and you would do well to use the appropriate term here.

When you say pro-North... then from a native English speaking standpoint you give off the wrong impression.

Unless you are actually speaking of the desire to have the North Korean regime rule over the whole of the Korean peninsula and approve of the North's actions.

In fact I would say that this is an insult to president Roh and his family as there is no indication whatsoever that he was pro-North. All he was was conciliatory towards the North or "North tolerant" as someone else put it.

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by dannavy85

You can't trust anything coming from the mouth of a North Korean stooge.

You can't trust anything coming from the mouth of an ex American soldier. They couldn't critically think the North Korean situation that most South Koreans understand.

And I'm a South Korean liberal. Being liberal in South Korea usually means pro-North.

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

I'm telling you that there is a difference between the two in the ENGLISH language which you are using at the moment and you would do well to use the appropriate term here.

When you say pro-North... then from a native English speaking standpoint you give off the wrong impression.

Unless you are actually speaking of the desire to have the North Korean regime rule over the whole of the Korean peninsula and approve of the North's actions.

In fact I would say that this is an insult to president Roh and his family as there is no indication whatsoever that he was pro-North. All he was was conciliatory towards the North or "North tolerant" as someone else put it.

There's no difference between pro-North and North-tolerant in South Korea. This is all thanks to the pro-American military dictatorships twice in the South Korean history.

This will help you: think like a South Korean.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

There's no difference between pro-North and North-tolerant in South Korea. This is all thanks to the pro-American military dictatorships twice in the South Korean history.

This will help you: think like a South Korean.

To be honest I don't think South Koreans are that stupid. And even if the majority of them are.. why would I stoop to that level of stupidity?

The discussion of International relations is best done when language is used rationally and rhetoric is kept to a minimum (which is what I suspect the lack of distinction, if it exists in the mainstream, may be a result of rather than the fact that Koreans don't actually have the intelligence to tell the difference).

To say there is no difference in South Korea doesn't mean that there isn't a difference. It just means you're ignoring it.

Another example of such stupidity would be not knowing the difference between a Muslim and a terrorist. Not knowing the difference between a mosque and a cultural centre. Not knowing the difference between being AT ground zero to being TWO BLOCKS away from ground zero.

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

To be honest I don't think South Koreans are that stupid. And even if the majority of them are.. why would I stoop to that level of stupidity?

The discussion of International relations is best done when language is used rationally and rhetoric is kept to a minimum (which is what I suspect the lack of distinction, if it exists in the mainstream, may be a result of rather than the fact that Koreans don't actually have the intelligence to tell the difference).

To say there is no difference in South Korea doesn't mean that there isn't a difference. It just means you're ignoring it.

Another example of such stupidity would be not knowing the difference between a Muslim and a terrorist. Not knowing the difference between a mosque and a cultural centre. Not knowing the difference between being AT ground zero to being TWO BLOCKS away from ground zero.

It's not stupidity but good guess. South Korea still has this 1960s Cold War era political mentality to today. Nothing really changed except for the attitudes.

[Ryzorian]

Muslim's build mosques at cites where great victories for Islam happened, It's one of the teneants, they have to or they go to hell. Yes, they view killing 3000 innocents a great victory for Islam, Allah don't care how people convert, or what means you utilized to get them to convert, so long as they do. Islam Means "to submit", litterally.

Cordoba..what they want to call the site in New York, is named after the Cordoba mosque in Spain..the site of a creat muslim victory where they built a mosque on top of a cathedral.

As to Korea, very few South Koreans are for the North as it is now. They may pity the people of the North, Kim il's slaves, who he brutalizes on a whim. However, they have no wish to rejoin North Korea as long as the communists under Wackadoo Kim run it. In fact they may never want to, the North is so poorly maintained it would take a Devine provodence to become functional again.

[fluffy0000]

Ryzorian , where did you get info on Paladin? There is no US Army Paladin system? GPS use is part of the Paladin M109A6 155mm howitzer only in those M109A6's outfitted ,modified to use - M982 Excalibur - precise GPS-guided munition.
Paladin M109A6 was produced from 1994-1999' the M982 Excalibur GPS guided munition round was not produced until 2007'.

The South Korean K9 based on the US Army M109 is not as accurate as a US Army M109A6 using Excalibur GPS guided munition. The South Korean K9 is a Samsung (SSA) product / equal to a US M109A2 with 'some' improvements. The South Koreans do'nt have GPS guided munition.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Cordoba..what they want to call the site in New York, is named after the Cordoba mosque in Spain..the site of a creat muslim victory where they built a mosque on top of a cathedral.

But that is only half the story, isn't it?

It is also the location of the fall of Muslim Cordoba.

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by fluffy0000

The South Korean K9 based on the US Army M109 is not as accurate as a US Army M109A6 using Excalibur GPS guided munition. The South Korean K9 is a Samsung (SSA) product / equal to a US M109A2 with 'some' improvements. The South Koreans do'nt have GPS guided munition.

Well, there's no use when our country's military structure is 50% FUBAR.

There is a bigger danger than North Korea: our corrupted leaders in Seoul who will exploit series of unfortunate opportunities.